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I am surprised how posters can be so ignorant in the duties of a HC. They think it begins and ends with play calling and game management.
I haven't seen anyone here yet that fits this qual.
Take time away from jerking your chicken and go watch the training camp player interviews. Every one of these players repeat the things Garrett says. You may still be in denial but the entire franchise has bought into JG.
You pretend they don't carefully construct what they're going to say publicly. Every player on every team parrots the coach.
I am not defending JG. It’s like trying to defend evolution to Christians. They are too dumb to get it.
Meanwhile you carefully avoid answering any of the quite legitimate questions I've posed.

What exactly, are the advantages Garrett gives us on game day? Name just one please.

What's his win/loss record again?
 
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I haven't seen anyone here yet that fits this qual.

I think many of you are extremely ignorant in the duties of a HC. Just reading the comments, it’s obvious.

You pretend they don't carefully construct what they're going to say publicly. Every player on every team parrots the coach.

Again, you have no concept in what building a team is about.

Meanwhile you carefully avoid answering any of the quite legitimate questions I've posed.

What exactly, are the advantages Garrett gives us on game day? Name just one please.

You have a child like mindset when it comes to understanding football. You think the advantage begins and ends during the 3 hours the game is on your TV (well if you actually watch the games). WTF do you think training camp is about? The team is being built right now, not on game day. The advantage is happening right now. Don’t expect you to understand that.

What's his win/loss record again?

I don’t know, look it up. Google it.
 

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I think many of you are extremely ignorant in the duties of a HC. Just reading the comments, it’s obvious.



Again, you have no concept in what building a team is about.



You have a child like mindset when it comes to understanding football. You think the advantage begins and ends during the 3 hours the game is on your TV (well if you actually watch the games). WTF do you think training camp is about? The team is being built right now, not on game day. The advantage is happening right now. Don’t expect you to understand that.
You're making a awful lot of assumptions about someone you don't even know based on almost zero information. Were I one to do that, I would be saying the same things about you cheerleading for what everyone pretty much knows is a mediocre coach - Garrett.

You "see what's being built here" with your heart, not your brain. I see a mediocre team that caught some good breaks consistently all last season and could only muster four more wins.

And still, you can't give us ONE advantage Garrett gives us on game day. How bout, freezing his own kicker? Horrendous clock management?

Year four of Camp Cupcake won't fix his game day idiocy. And won't change the fact he is a slack jawed, mealy-mouthed, wombat faced twit.
 

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I don’t know, look it up. Google it.
I asked because you were pouring on the Garrett praise, and wondered if you even know his record. And now you say you don't know. Who's childlike and ignorant here?
 
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You're making a awful lot of assumptions about someone you don't even know based on almost zero information. Were I one to do that, I would be saying the same things about you cheerleading for what everyone pretty much knows is a mediocre coach - Garrett.

You "see what's being built here" with your heart, not your brain. I see a mediocre team that caught some good breaks consistently all last season and could only muster four more wins.

And still, you can't give us ONE advantage Garrett gives us on game day. How bout, freezing his own kicker? Horrendous clock management?

Year four of Camp Cupcake won't fix his game day idiocy. And won't change the fact he is a slack jawed, mealy-mouthed, wombat faced twit.

I did give you an advantage. You don’t read. I am talking about the Garrett of TODAY. Not 5 years ago. TODAY. Garrett’s camp is far from “camp cupcake”. You think a physical team is built by accident.

It’s a waste of my time trying to debate with someone who believes everything is based on luck. I mean, it doesn’t matter who the coach is, it’s all luck anyways according to you. Any debate with you about the coaching staff and the roster is pointless. It’s all luck.
 

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It’s a waste of my time trying to debate with someone who believes everything is based on luck. I mean, it doesn’t matter who the coach is, it’s all luck anyways according to you. Any debate with you about the coaching staff and the roster is pointless. It’s all luck.
Nobody ever said it is ALL luck.

Your problem is you are unable to debate at all, without constantly moving goal posts and changing what the opponent says - even making stuff for the opponent to allegedly have said, out of whole cloth.

Garrett NOW is different from Garrett THEN in one respect - stripped of play calling duties. Other than that he's still the same educated idiot dumbass.
 

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And this is why my stance was deliberately extreme. The only way to respond to such an irrational, unfair, unjustified opinion in Jason Garrett is to match it's intensity with quotes, facts, and common sense observation.

Its entirely necessary to use this saturation process for many reasons.

First, the irrational arguments eventually get louder because it becomes the only weapon they have once you strip away the false premises they use. They literraly try to shout over you in an effort to distract those wanting to get both sides.

Secondly, they are going to demand every peice if information you use soiner or later, first claiming it doesn't exist. Then they quickly move to discreting the source or funding some way to claim it as irrelevant, without any relevant basis. Remember, you are the only one that is required to show real proof like a statistical trend or web links.

They only require themselves to mention a sparse handful of events which they then use to blanket an entire body of work.

The truth is, they are too comfortable in their patented excuses and blames. Ironically they are totally unprepared for circumstance that need no blame because the team is experiencing success. They can't tell you why the success exists, but they want to make sure you know it's not the people they blame for a currently nonexistant failure
 

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the team is experiencing success
It hasn't experienced success - by Roger Staubach's canon definition of a "successful" Dallas Cowboys season - since 1995. The ONLY successful Dallas Cowboys season, according to canon Staubach, is one that ends with hoisting the Lombardi Trophy.

12-4 is a decent season, not a successful one. In Dallas. We have higher standards.

The rest of your post is just Alinsky nonsense - accuse the opponent of that which you yourself, do.
 

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Only to Garrett fans can one measly playoff win in four years be called success.

Of course he gets different standards from anyone else.

And everlasting, didn't you say you'd never played football? But you're lecturing us on team building?

I'd like to know what the difference is between the Garrett of today and five years anyway? He says exactly the same things.

Oh wait, the difference is he's been removed from the nuts and bolts of things and is free to do nothing but play the Ginger Tony Robbins.
 

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I'd like to know what the difference is between the Garrett of today and five years anyway? He says exactly the same things.
I'd like to know the difference between the Garrett of "now" vs. the Garrett of last season, when he said after the Titans game that running the ball too much messes up a quarterback's passing skills.
 

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He does exactly that.

Lose the 2010 opener on the last play of the first half with a playcall a decent high school coach wouldn't make? Hide from the media the next week.

Blow the iced kicker game in Arizona because you let over half a minute tick off the clock while the team stands around? Refuse to admit you'd do anything different and when the media questions what happened, offer a weak, "I don't have a good answer for you."

Find a way to lose yet another heartbreaker to Denver in 2013? Blame your franchise quarterback who has saved your ass and made you millions of dollars for years now in the press conference after the game. (This is what pisses me off most about Garrett, blaming Tony when he's the only reason JG has had any success at all here.)

On the other hand, OL plays great? Claim it was all your grand plan from the start even though it took years to implement and evidence points to the contrary.

But I guess you can keep believing the media narrative that he's a prince and a saint if you wish.


You talking about that Redskins' game? 4 seconds left in the half. Cowboys' on their own 30+ yard line which means 70 yards to TD or 40 yards to get into FG position, and the asshat calls a run play to Choice, who fumbles, Hall scoops it up and takes it in for a TD.

That right there did it for me with Garrett.

But what you left out is how last year, against the Redskins in OT... Murray breaks off an 8-yard run, and it's 2nd and 2. Garrett calls a pass play --- incomplete. 3rd and 2: pass play again ---- incomplete. 4th and 2: pass play --- incomplete AGAIN. GAME OVER. LOSS.


As such.... had we won, we might have had the #1 seed.
 
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I'd like to know the difference between the Garrett of "now" vs. the Garrett of last season, when he said after the Titans game that running the ball too much messes up a quarterback's passing skills.
That's not what he said... he was specifically talking in the context of a QBs rhythm.
 
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I do think Garrett has gotten better.

I was optimistic about him when he got installed as HC, but he quickly showed us he was learning general game management skills on the job. That quickly soured me on him.

But I do think that he motivates this team... somehow... not sure how a robotic guy like that can motivate, but he seems to do it. I think he's a different guy in the locker room. He's deliberately robotic to the press because he doesn't want to create any more headlines IMO.

The Musers had a quick interview with him at camp the other day. Gordon went up to him with the recorder on and started asking him questions. Garrett asked him not to record... then he let Gordon turn it back on and he started giving his robotic answers. Gordon said during the part of the conversation where he wasn't recording, he said Gordon was "doing that Howard Stern thing where you just ambush me..." He wasn't in character, and he had to get into character. And the questions weren't deep and heavy football strategy questions, they were questions that were more personal in nature, like "when did you know you wanted to coach? Who was your best friend when you were a player? etc."

Ever since he got hired, I have wished that some media member would get some questions in where Garrett was being genuine and giving non-defensive answers. But he's not going to do that. He's deliberately boring.

But I do think he's a smart guy and can learn how to coach. I wish he hadn't cut his teeth in Romo's prime years. I think he had way too much on his plate being a HC and calling plays. Knowing he was learning on the job, he should have been given as few responsibilities as possible to keep from overwhelming him.
 
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Yeah I'm super stoked our head coach is really an apprentice and we have to surround him with an all star staff of assistants and limit his input on gameday in order to compete.

That's what I want in a coach!!!!

But hey the players parrot what he says so there's that!!
 
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