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One of the biggest flops ever
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Yet there are people over at the zone that swear Payton and fat Mike are the exact same coach. The reaction around the league says otherwise when they were available for hire.Fat Mike only makes $4M
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Well, Mike was fired whereas Payton left voluntarily. And the Packers were badmouthing him behind the scenes. Also, appearances matter. If Mike were slim like Payton, people would think of him differently.
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Well their track records are nearly identical despite both having HOF QB's for virtually their entire times as HC's with the Packers and Saints.
If the Broncos are really paying Payton what some reports say, they are truly the dumbest franchise in the league now.
Bill Parcells: "you are what your records say you are"
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I agree with you on taking a QB every year. They cost a mint so make it a revolving door. QBs are much better prepared coming out of college than they were in the past. Yes, there are still the Zack Wilson busts, but most of the top picks actually seem to do pretty well from the get go.
A lot of it has to do with the team they go to and if they have protection. Look at Baker Mayfield. He can't start for the Panthers. Goes to the Rams the next day and looks like a pro-bowler.
Well, Brady retired. That actually disappoints me because I know he can still play at a high level. But the grind is tiring, and his new girlfriend is smoking hot. Makes Giselle look old and tired. Dam I hate that man!
.Well, I heard Jerry express full faith in Dak. It sounds like we are going to an updated West Coast from McCarthy's days in Green Bay.
Excuse me, but wasn't McCarthy fired from Green Bay and didn't Aaron Rodgers grow frustrated with that offense or is my memory off?
Well see how it goes.
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As far as the Broncos paying Payton lots of moolah, remember that it has zero effect on the cap and the Walmarts make Jerry look poor. For them, it's a drop in the bucket.
When it comes to coaching, I can't recall a HOF coach who didn't have HOF talent.
The players matter more than the play calling. I've seen great offenses from relatively limited offenses, but they execute to perfection.
Pretty much all the teams that run a variant of Airt Coryall are that way. Our teams of the 90s with Norv Turner were that way. We had a handful of plays that nobody could stop, and we just ran them over and over.
The key to being a great coach is to get yourself great talent.
AND THAT'S WHERE THE GM COMES IN.
But our GM drafts Terrance WIlliams instead of Keenan Allen or Gavin Escobar instead of Travis Kelce. Or Jaylon Smith, who can't play for an entire year. Or Chaz Green who could never play. Or Trystan Hill instead of Juan Thorton. Or pot head Gregory, who was constantly suspended.
Oh, and we traded Tradavious Ward for a player who couldn't play.IMHO, it's not the hits that matter, it's the misses. Imagine if Tony Romo had Travis Kelce playing with Witten, as one example.
And people say we draft well.
Drafting well is when you draft The Dirty Dozen.
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Well you cherry picked some of the worst of the worst.
No team and no GM hit on ALL of their picks every damn year. Every team drafts busts. Jimmy Johnson was as good as there was from 1989-1993 at recognizing and drafting talent but even he had great picks like Rhondy Weston, Alexander Wright, Stan Smagala (traded 5 picks to get that guy) Mike Middleton and others. His 1992 draft (other than Kevin Smith and Darren Woodson) was pretty awful. His last 11 picks in that draft amounted to nothing but flubs. Everyone worships Bill Parcells, but he wanted Marcus Spears over Demarcus Ware, he drafted Bobby Carpenter, Al Johnson and Jacob Rogers with 1st and 2nd rd picks.
There's enough talent on this roster and several other rosters before this one to have been more successful than we have been.
Great coaching matters regardless of the talent level. Great work ethic matters. Great football environment matters. These are the things that have had a far bigger impact on no championship games or super bowls for 27 years now than lack of talent.
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so much for RKG
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You're right, no team does. Are we okay with being like the rest? Is that why we haven't won squat in nearly 30 years? Regarding Jimmy's busts and successes, I put it all ultimately on the person with the authority to sign off on transactions, and that is the guy with the title and authority of GM, which has always been Jerry (both the good and the bad).
At what company have you ever worked where you were allowed to spend corporate money without having the title and formal authority to be able to do so? I've never worked for one. YES, Jimmy's input was highly valued and Jerry often listened. But when that paperwork was filed at the commissioner's office, the name on the dotted line was Jerry Jones.
Don't tell me that it was in Jimmy's contract. Nobody has ever seen that contract, and when I wrote to one of the old writers at dallascowboys.com, someone who went by the name bald head or something like that, and asked, "hey, we can settle this now. Ask Jerry if you can see the contract", he wrote back, "that's a good idea". Then NOTHING.
It was the same with Tom Landry. The person's name on the dotted line was Tex Schramm.
Parcells wasn't the GM either. He was just giving his opinion. Yes, Jerry got that one right. He also needed to be saved from wanting to take Johnny Manzeil. But in the end he got that right.
Look, go to Fanspeak.com or this one https://www.profootballnetwork.com/mockdraft/
I do these mocks every single year in multiple ways. I guarantee you that if you do, and you keep track of your results, that you will bat as well as Jerry and most of the NFL.
Okay, so why are we not hired to be GMs if being a GM is only about doing what everyone else does?
A great GM is expected to do what others don't do. A great player does what the average player can't do. Howie Roseman has done a nice job. John Lynch has done a nice job (had Purdy not gotten hurt that game would have been a battle).
A great GM is not afraid of risk. Jerry has gotten too conservative. He used to take risks and that is what led to signing PrimeTime and the Herschel Walker trade.
The Jerry of today cannot get himself to think, "gee, if I trade Dak now, and I can get two number ones, and maybe even a second and a third, there's this kid in my backyard that I've been watching a lot named Patrick Mahomes. I know it's risky. But I really liked Johnny Manziel, and this kid seems like a bigger version of Johnny. He seems to have his head on straight. You know, what would happen if I traded Dak now in year 2?"
He doesn't think bold anymore!
But, if you're okay with just being good and just having a good GM, then let's keep doing what we're doing.
I don't know what you think of Garrett. But how can a coach win it all when the GM is drafting players who LITERALLY cannot play in round 2 on a near consistent basis, when that player should, at the very least, be a solid contributor? What round was Kelvin Joseph drafted? How many better players were passed on?
Round 1 and 2 should be hits. Hell, if we're going to waste the 2nd pick then just trade out of it and pick up more 3s and 4s.
Picks 1,2, and 3 need to be good players at least 80 percent of the time. Yes, everyone misses now and then. The misses are not made up for by getting lucky with a Deron Bland. Those should be bonuses.
It's like a good basketball player should make his free throws. The fact that he made it from half court doesn't make up for his missed free throws. Maher making it from 60 doesn't make up for missing it from the 30.
Jerry needs to make the free throws more often. He doesn't always miss (see Tyler Smith). But he misses too much on the free throws (rounds 1,2 and 3).
Sorry for the rant!
Whew, that was a lot, sorry.
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I have to admit I wanted to stop reading at the part where you insinuate that Jerry made football decisions for Jimmy.You're right, no team does. Are we okay with being like the rest? Is that why we haven't won squat in nearly 30 years? Regarding Jimmy's busts and successes, I put it all ultimately on the person with the authority to sign off on transactions, and that is the guy with the title and authority of GM, which has always been Jerry (both the good and the bad).
At what company have you ever worked where you were allowed to spend corporate money without having the title and formal authority to be able to do so? I've never worked for one. YES, Jimmy's input was highly valued and Jerry often listened. But when that paperwork was filed at the commissioner's office, the name on the dotted line was Jerry Jones.
Don't tell me that it was in Jimmy's contract. Nobody has ever seen that contract, and when I wrote to one of the old writers at dallascowboys.com, someone who went by the name bald head or something like that, and asked, "hey, we can settle this now. Ask Jerry if you can see the contract", he wrote back, "that's a good idea". Then NOTHING.
It was the same with Tom Landry. The person's name on the dotted line was Tex Schramm.
Parcells wasn't the GM either. He was just giving his opinion. Yes, Jerry got that one right. He also needed to be saved from wanting to take Johnny Manzeil. But in the end he got that right.
Look, go to Fanspeak.com or this one https://www.profootballnetwork.com/mockdraft/
I do these mocks every single year in multiple ways. I guarantee you that if you do, and you keep track of your results, that you will bat as well as Jerry and most of the NFL.
Okay, so why are we not hired to be GMs if being a GM is only about doing what everyone else does?
A great GM is expected to do what others don't do. A great player does what the average player can't do. Howie Roseman has done a nice job. John Lynch has done a nice job (had Purdy not gotten hurt that game would have been a battle).
A great GM is not afraid of risk. Jerry has gotten too conservative. He used to take risks and that is what led to signing PrimeTime and the Herschel Walker trade.
The Jerry of today cannot get himself to think, "gee, if I trade Dak now, and I can get two number ones, and maybe even a second and a third, there's this kid in my backyard that I've been watching a lot named Patrick Mahomes. I know it's risky. But I really liked Johnny Manziel, and this kid seems like a bigger version of Johnny. He seems to have his head on straight. You know, what would happen if I traded Dak now in year 2?"
He doesn't think bold anymore!
But, if you're okay with just being good and just having a good GM, then let's keep doing what we're doing.
I don't know what you think of Garrett. But how can a coach win it all when the GM is drafting players who LITERALLY cannot play in round 2 on a near consistent basis, when that player should, at the very least, be a solid contributor? What round was Kelvin Joseph drafted? How many better players were passed on?
Round 1 and 2 should be hits. Hell, if we're going to waste the 2nd pick then just trade out of it and pick up more 3s and 4s.
Picks 1,2, and 3 need to be good players at least 80 percent of the time. Yes, everyone misses now and then. The misses are not made up for by getting lucky with a Deron Bland. Those should be bonuses.
It's like a good basketball player should make his free throws. The fact that he made it from half court doesn't make up for his missed free throws. Maher making it from 60 doesn't make up for missing it from the 30.
Jerry needs to make the free throws more often. He doesn't always miss (see Tyler Smith). But he misses too much on the free throws (rounds 1,2 and 3).
Sorry for the rant!
Jimmy made every single personnel and coaching decision with this franchise while he was here. Jerry signed paychecks, and did photo ops. If Jerry had done anything from 89-93 like he did from 94-02 we would have never sniffed a Super Bowl. Things changed when Parcells arrived and he redid the entire scouting department and how they approached the draft and free agency. For the most part, Parcells had the same control Jimmy did but with far less positive results. Jerry did force TO on Parcells (which Parcells clearly didn't appreciate) but other than that, Parcells pretty much had his way.
You also arn't going to convince me we haven't been pretty good at drafting for the last 8-10 years. There are misses, but again every team has misses and it would be 100% impossible to hit on everything, even in the first 3 rounds (which you seem to think should ALL be hits all the time) Many teams miss even at the top of the 1st rounds and the end result is those same teams draft over and over at the top every year. They've had some bad mistakes (like Taco and Jaylon) but they've also had plenty of hits too.
And trying to equate the draft process to making free throws is just silly.
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