Ben Rogers publicly calls for Garrett firing

[dbair1967]

Poll at the typically Garrett loving CZ:

Running total right now under "Should Garrett be Fired" 161 total votes, 151 say yes.

 

[ThoughtExperiment]

Ten no votes: Idgit x3, Winicki x2, Hostile x5

 

[dbair1967]

 

[TheZoneSucks]

Ten no votes: Idgit x3, Winicki x2, Hostile x5

Even Winicki is wavering. Idgit is a contrarian so he would argue with you if you said the sky was blue on a clear day. Hostile has painted himself into a corner, and can't ever back down no matter how ludicrous it all becomes.

 

[bbgun]

Losing to Geno Smith two weeks from now just might be the final nail in the coffin.

 

[yimyammer]

that's because damn "the problem" owns the team

 

[Omegasupreme]

The thing that is eating at me is there is a huge contrast in the play design, tempo, attack, variation, and methods for moving the chains this year from the first 10 games of last year. Dallas was full Linehan in the first 10 games, with misdirection, screens, play action, RB receptions and multiple formations. Dak had a QB year that most NFL QBs would dream of. And yet the talk in the offseason was how he could improve. Well, what does that mean? Does that mean he needed to have less orchestrated successful plays that were designed and strategized? Did that mean that improving in the offense is to get to a point where the coaching is so minimal that the coaching staff basically run a personnel grouping out with a run-pass option and Dak figures out where everyone is supposed to go at the line of scrimmage? I think that’s what Garrett wants. Romo was running the offense unless there was a mandated run play it was all lemonade made from lemon coaching. How can the goal be throw more, run less, have less deception and more repetition and more pass protection (from TEs and RBs) so that these repetitive routes (0-9) that are mutually exclusive (they don’t pick or cluster or immediately create space for high percentage completion off the LOS? How? It’s like Garrett is trying to fix what wasn’t broken by trying to push a passing offense that requires him to do less. This offense is totally Garrett right now. So much so that if you go back to 2012 and see that teams were so in tune with Garrett’s offense that the MLB was running backward at the snap to the spot where Romo was going to throw the ball. The whole middle of the field was left open and commentators (who don’t know Garrett) were saying I can’t beleive they are not taking advantage of the wide open middle of the field. The Garrett offense is not just vanilla it’s limited. It’s the same reactive philosophy over and over “when the defense does this, we do that”. Fast forward to the Panther game in 2015, Kuechly is calling out the plays and running back to where Romo is going to throw the ball. Fast forward to the Falcon and Charger games this year: wide open middle of the field, no one is open, and Rivers is calling out Dallas plays from the sideline. Well. How did he know those plays? He knows the reads and adjustments from the Coryell.
Go back and look at Linehan in 2013 Lions. It looked like Dak in the first 10 games of 2016. Quick throws, RB runs and recs, best placement of key WR, and fast release.
I don’t think Garrett is going to allow Linehan to bring that back. If Garrett changes and the offense starts clicking, then the question is why didn’t you do this earlier, if Garrett defers possession when winning the coin toss and Dallas wins, why didn’t you do that earlier. I don’t think we will see much change because winning that results from diminishing of Garrett’s scheme is indicting of Garrett. Garrett is going to push personnel. He is going to hang on with his scheme and claim it that they don’t have Zeke or and OT or a LB. Jerry just called it “talent issue” and Stephen called it “personnel”. Frankly Dallas has some very mediocre players that met the Garrett criteria and cannot outrun, or catch, or tackle or make stops but they are good guys, good motors and came from good programs. Jerry did not dismantle the offense in the 2014 or 2016 GB game. He doesn’t call 5WR after a RB gets 7+ yards.

 

[Omegasupreme]

105.3 recapped the 1999 41-35 Redskin Cowboy game. Here’s the difference between smart and stupid. When Dallas was losing 35-14 and there was a minute left in the 3rd quarter, what did Chan do? He ran Emmitt and Warren so much that Redskins who were probably in prevent were not expecting. Dallas scored and then onsides in a clever way that even fooled the commentators. Then when Dallas needed to pass they had the threat of Emmitt and Warren already affecting the defense and opening routes downfield. Finally, in OT it’s 3rd and 2, and Emmitt is in the backfield. It’s highly likely that Dallas needs the first and with Emmitt they can get it. Play action just collapses the Redskins and Ismail is wide open.

Here are the differences:
Same situation for Garrett he will not run more he will pass more in that vanilla 2:00 formation. He will throw on 3rd and 2 but with empty backfield (which makes no sense). He will not onsides kick. He will not have any speed at WR such as you need for Coryell and so he will need more pass protection while his 4.55 Wr are covered by 4.45 CBs who know the routes better than the Cowboy WRs.

 

[yimyammer]

The thing that is eating at me is there is a huge contrast in the play design, tempo, attack, variation, and methods for moving the chains this year from the first 10 games of last year. Dallas was full Linehan in the first 10 games, with misdirection, screens, play action, RB receptions and multiple formations. Dak had a QB year that most NFL QBs would dream of. And yet the talk in the offseason was how he could improve.

Well, what does that mean?

Does that mean he needed to have less orchestrated successful plays that were designed and strategized?

Did that mean that improving in the offense is to get to a point where the coaching is so minimal that the coaching staff basically run a personnel grouping out with a run-pass option and Dak figures out where everyone is supposed to go at the line of scrimmage?

I think that’s what Garrett wants.

Romo was running the offense unless there was a mandated run play it was all lemonade made from lemon coaching. How can the goal be throw more, run less, have less deception and more repetition and more pass protection (from TEs and RBs) so that these repetitive routes (0-9) that are mutually exclusive (they don’t pick or cluster or immediately create space for high percentage completion off the LOS? How?

It’s like Garrett is trying to fix what wasn’t broken by trying to push a passing offense that requires him to do less. This offense is totally Garrett right now. So much so that if you go back to 2012 and see that teams were so in tune with Garrett’s offense that the MLB was running backward at the snap to the spot where Romo was going to throw the ball. The whole middle of the field was left open and commentators (who don’t know Garrett) were saying I can’t beleive they are not taking advantage of the wide open middle of the field.

The Garrett offense is not just vanilla it’s limited. It’s the same reactive philosophy over and over “when the defense does this, we do that”. Fast forward to the Panther game in 2015, Kuechly is calling out the plays and running back to where Romo is going to throw the ball. Fast forward to the Falcon and Charger games this year: wide open middle of the field, no one is open, and Rivers is calling out Dallas plays from the sideline. Well. How did he know those plays? He knows the reads and adjustments from the Coryell.

Go back and look at Linehan in 2013 Lions. It looked like Dak in the first 10 games of 2016. Quick throws, RB runs and recs, best placement of key WR, and fast release.

I don’t think Garrett is going to allow Linehan to bring that back. If Garrett changes and the offense starts clicking, then the question is why didn’t you do this earlier, if Garrett defers possession when winning the coin toss and Dallas wins, why didn’t you do that earlier?

I don’t think we will see much change because winning that results from diminishing of Garrett’s scheme is indicting of Garrett. Garrett is going to push personnel. He is going to hang on with his scheme and claim it that they don’t have Zeke or and OT or a LB. Jerry just called it “talent issue” and Stephen called it “personnel”. Frankly Dallas has some very mediocre players that met the Garrett criteria and cannot outrun, or catch, or tackle or make stops but they are good guys, good motors and came from good programs. Jerry did not dismantle the offense in the 2014 or 2016 GB game. He doesn’t call 5WR after a RB gets 7+ yards.

love ya brother, but can you work in a paragraph or two, that shits hard to read

 

[LAZARUS_LOGAN]

105.3 recapped the 1999 41-35 Redskin Cowboy game. Here’s the difference between smart and stupid. When Dallas was losing 35-14 and there was a minute left in the 3rd quarter, what did Chan do? He ran Emmitt and Warren so much that Redskins who were probably in prevent were not expecting. Dallas scored and then onsides in a clever way that even fooled the commentators. Then when Dallas needed to pass they had the threat of Emmitt and Warren already affecting the defense and opening routes downfield. Finally, in OT it’s 3rd and 2, and Emmitt is in the backfield. It’s highly likely that Dallas needs the first and with Emmitt they can get it. Play action just collapses the Redskins and Ismail is wide open.

Here are the differences:
Same situation for Garrett he will not run more he will pass more in that vanilla 2:00 formation. He will throw on 3rd and 2 but with empty backfield (which makes no sense). He will not onsides kick. He will not have any speed at WR such as you need for Coryell and so he will need more pass protection while his 4.55 Wr are covered by 4.45 CBs who know the routes better than the Cowboy WRs.

YOU. SERIOUSLY. NEED. TO. POST. MORE.

 

[MrB]

105.3 recapped the 1999 41-35 Redskin Cowboy game. Here’s the difference between smart and stupid. When Dallas was losing 35-14 and there was a minute left in the 3rd quarter, what did Chan do? He ran Emmitt and Warren so much that Redskins who were probably in prevent were not expecting. Dallas scored and then onsides in a clever way that even fooled the commentators. Then when Dallas needed to pass they had the threat of Emmitt and Warren already affecting the defense and opening routes downfield. Finally, in OT it’s 3rd and 2, and Emmitt is in the backfield. It’s highly likely that Dallas needs the first and with Emmitt they can get it. Play action just collapses the Redskins and Ismail is wide open.

Here are the differences:
Same situation for Garrett he will not run more he will pass more in that vanilla 2:00 formation. He will throw on 3rd and 2 but with empty backfield (which makes no sense). He will not onsides kick. He will not have any speed at WR such as you need for Coryell and so he will need more pass protection while his 4.55 Wr are covered by 4.45 CBs who know the routes better than the Cowboy WRs.

Watching Switzer turn on the Jets on that punt return I feel like (actually I know) that a more creative coach would have found a way to get him involved in the passing game and at least find out if he’s the WR that could take the top off a defense. We’re already in week 13 and really have no clue what kind of WR Switzer is.

 

[dbair1967]

NFL Nation reporters took the temperature of the rest of the league, rating the job security of every head coach using the following scale:
5. Hot seat: Headed out if things don't turn around in the final four games
4. Warm seat: Not safe if the season ends up a disappointment
3. Lukewarm seat: Not under fire but not disaster-proof
2. Cool seat: Safe barring a total disaster
1. Cold seat: No way he'll get fired

Rating 4: Warm seat

Dallas Cowboys (6-6)
Jason Garrett was named Coach of the Year just a year ago after directing the Cowboys to a 13-3 finish with a rookie quarterback and rookie running back. But Dallas has been one of the bigger disappointments in 2017 with a 6-6 record. Losing Ezekiel Elliott to a six-game suspension hurts, but the Cowboys had months to prepare for his absence, and the offense fell apart during a three-game losing streak when the defense needed it most. Cowboys owner Jerry Jones has publicly backed the coaches -- and not in a vote-of-confidence kind of way. In 2015, Garrett was able to withstand a 4-12 finish with then-quarterback Tony Romo missing 12 games. Every team every year loses players somehow, and the good ones answer the challenge. Will Jones be as kind if the Cowboys collapse in their final four games? -- Todd Archer

 

[LAZARUS_LOGAN]

NFL Nation reporters took the temperature of the rest of the league, rating the job security of every head coach using the following scale:
5. Hot seat: Headed out if things don't turn around in the final four games
4. Warm seat: Not safe if the season ends up a disappointment
3. Lukewarm seat: Not under fire but not disaster-proof
2. Cool seat: Safe barring a total disaster
1. Cold seat: No way he'll get fired

Rating 4: Warm seat

Dallas Cowboys (6-6)
Jason Garrett was named Coach of the Year just a year ago after directing the Cowboys to a 13-3 finish with a rookie quarterback and rookie running back. But Dallas has been one of the bigger disappointments in 2017 with a 6-6 record. Losing Ezekiel Elliott to a six-game suspension hurts, but the Cowboys had months to prepare for his absence, and the offense fell apart during a three-game losing streak when the defense needed it most. Cowboys owner Jerry Jones has publicly backed the coaches -- and not in a vote-of-confidence kind of way. In 2015, Garrett was able to withstand a 4-12 finish with then-quarterback Tony Romo missing 12 games. Every team every year loses players somehow, and the good ones answer the challenge. Will Jones be as kind if the Cowboys collapse in their final four games? -- Todd Archer

His seat should be so hot that it'd give the devil blisters, but unfortunately it's so cold it'd give a polar bear frost bite. This son-of-a- bitch is not going anywhere.

 

[dbair1967]

His seat should be so hot that it'd give the devil blisters, but unfortunately it's so cold it'd give a polar bear frost bite. This son-of-a- bitch is not going anywhere.

Laz, this thread was developed to be a positive. It's all about running Red Clown out of here.

Anything involving the retention of Garrett is considered negative posting in this thread, and will not be tolerated.

Consider this a warning.

- DCU staff

 

[Doomsday]

 

[TheZoneSucks]

105.3 recapped the 1999 41-35 Redskin Cowboy game. Here’s the difference between smart and stupid. When Dallas was losing 35-14 and there was a minute left in the 3rd quarter, what did Chan do? He ran Emmitt and Warren so much that Redskins who were probably in prevent were not expecting. Dallas scored and then onsides in a clever way that even fooled the commentators. Then when Dallas needed to pass they had the threat of Emmitt and Warren already affecting the defense and opening routes downfield. Finally, in OT it’s 3rd and 2, and Emmitt is in the backfield. It’s highly likely that Dallas needs the first and with Emmitt they can get it. Play action just collapses the Redskins and Ismail is wide open.

Here are the differences:
Same situation for Garrett he will not run more he will pass more in that vanilla 2:00 formation. He will throw on 3rd and 2 but with empty backfield (which makes no sense). He will not onsides kick. He will not have any speed at WR such as you need for Coryell and so he will need more pass protection while his 4.55 Wr are covered by 4.45 CBs who know the routes better than the Cowboy WRs.

It showed that even a spare coach like Gailey was far better than Garrett. The only times the Cowboys win under Garrett is when the players themselves decide to get up for a game, and they aren't out talented by the opponent. Garrett just stands there LARPing as a coach. I could do that myself, and would do it for much less money.

 

[dbair1967]

It showed that even a spare coach like Gailey was far better than Garrett. The only times the Cowboys win under Garrett is when the players themselves decide to get up for a game, and they aren't out talented by the opponent. Garrett just stands there LARPing as a coach. I could do that myself, and would do it for much less money.

Gailey, the mastermind behind removing Michael Irvin in obvious passing situations for Jeff Ogden.

I don't think even Garrett is that level of stupid.

 

[TheZoneSucks]

Gailey, the mastermind behind removing Michael Irvin in obvious passing situations for Jeff Ogden.

I don't think even Garrett is that level of stupid.

How many times under Garrett have we gone empty back field on 3rd & 2 or 3rd & goal while having a potent rushing attack via Murray or Zeke?

 

[LAZARUS_LOGAN]

How many times under Garrett have we gone empty back field on 3rd & 2 or 3rd & goal while having a potent rushing attack via Murray or Zeke?

You beat me to it. And not just on 3rd and goal, but before that 1st and goal --- pass. 2nd and goal --- pass. 3rd and goal --- pass. Then FG.

 

[MrB]

Gailey, the mastermind behind removing Michael Irvin in obvious passing situations for Jeff Ogden.

I don't think even Garrett is that level of stupid.

Didn’t he also talk about or have Irvin coming out of the backfield on an option play?