Archer: How similar are Jason Garrett, Pete Carroll?

[JBond]

Did Carroll magically get better at coaching when he left NE/Jets or has he had more talent than everyone?

But yeah, Carroll is pretty respected around the league. Joe Fan will throw out him getting canned by the dysfunctional Jets and sych, but I'd take him as a coach any day.

 

[CobraKai]

People forget Carroll was pretty decent in NE. Playoffs in 2 out of three years.

Revisionist history. He took an insanely talented team and ruined it. He was the Wade Phillips of New England.

 

[Midswat]

Revisionist history. He took an insanely talented team and ruined it. He was the Wade Phillips of New England.

But can you argue with what he's done since?

Built a dynasty at USC. Built a monster of a football team in Seattle.


Are you defending Garrett here, or do you just not like Carroll?

 

[CobraKai]

Neither.

But all things aren't equal when you're comparing the two. USC is college football on easy mode. To his credit he made it happen then bolted once the university was gonna get sanctioned. And he got one of the best GMs in football when he came to Seattle, a guy that was already respected, who instantly built him one of the most talented rosters in the league (that fit Carroll's vision, of course, so props for that).

Garrett has Jerry Jones. And the biggest problem on our team is what? Talent, obviously.

It's not a fair comparison, favorably or unfavorably.

 

[ThoughtExperiment]

But can you argue with what he's done since?

Built a dynasty at USC. Built a monster of a football team in Seattle.


Are you defending Garrett here, or do you just not like Carroll?

Both, clearly.

 

[Midswat]

Neither.

But all things aren't equal when you're comparing the two.

Well tell that to Todd Archer. He's the one that started this assinine comparison.

USC is college football on easy mode.

They've been pretty mediocre for a number of years pre-Carroll, and havent' been that good - sanctions or not - post Carroll.

There's a number of teams that are allegedly easy to win at... Alabama, Miami, Texas, etc. Weird how they don't win though unless they have a good coach.

And he got one of the best GMs in football when he came to Seattle, a guy that was already respected, who instantly built him one of the most talented rosters in the league (that fit Carroll's vision, of course, so props for that).

Garrett has Jerry Jones. And the biggest problem on our team is what? Talent, obviously.

But Jerry has gone on record as saying Jason has had a strong hand in offensive player acquisition since he's been here - since 2007.

Talent notwithstanding... no one is saying we should've won the Super Bowl this year.

My biggest gripes with Garrett is that he is a quite obvious liability on game days. He has no feel for a game, doesn't know how to manage a game, doesn't make good adjustments, doesn't know how to exploit weaknesses, clock management is a complete mystery to him, etc etc.

It's not entirely his fault. Most coaches come up through the ranks. They spend 10+ years (if not longer - much longer) as an assistant before getting a head coaching gig. Garrett spent what, 2 years as a QB coach, then 2 years as an OC?

It's not a fair comparison, favorably or unfavorably.

Clearly not. It's like comparing Chris Carter to Andre Holmes.

You can say "Well, Chris Carter had much better QB's and coaches." But thats grossly underselling the difference in the two.

 

[marionbarberthe4th]

Idgaf about assessing credit by backtracking careers and cross referencing who sucked when without who

He's got the ring we suck snake dick

 

[CobraKai]

Both, clearly.

Learn to read.

 

[CobraKai]

You can say "Well, Chris Carter had much better QB's and coaches." But thats grossly underselling the difference in the two.

There was never a time when Chris Carter was bad at his job. We have that with Carroll. Unsurprisingly, he's a much better coach when he's not saddled with a shitty GM.

 

[Midswat]

There was never a time when Chris Carter was bad at his job.

Except for that whole getting cut by the Eagles thing.

We have that with Carroll. Unsurprisingly, he's a much better coach when he's not saddled with a shitty GM.

Won a division title with the Patriots and went to the playoffs 2 out of three years.

Won two National Titles with USC and built a dynasty.

Won a Super Bowl with the Seahawks.

But yeah, he sucks its just the GM thats good.

 

[CobraKai]

Keep repeating the "he went to the playoffs with New England" thing. If you knew anything about him in New England other than that you would know it's a nonstarter. Like Wade Phillips did a good job here.

I also never once said Carroll was a bad coach. It's not necessarily his fault that NE fell apart - after all, Parcells got out of there for the to escape a meddling owner/roster builder. Just that he has advantages now that Jason doesn't and won't while he works here, so the two aren't comparable. You see any possible other view as a black/white endorsement of Jason Garrett or damnation of Pete Carroll. If that's how you want to approach it, have fun.

 

[Midswat]

k

 

[Bob Sacamano]

People forget Carroll was pretty decent in NE. Playoffs in 2 out of three years.

All on the strength of Parcells' roster.

Funny thing is, Garrett has taken Wade Phillips' roster and actually managed to make it worse lol

 

[CobraKai]

All on the strength of Parcells' roster.

Funny thing is, Garrett has taken Wade Phillips' roster and actually managed to make it worse lol

So are you a Garrett supporter or a Carroll hater?

 

[NoDak]

Random cat facts in 3...2...1...

 

[marionbarberthe4th]

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