2018 NFL Draft Thread

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[dbair1967]

Daniel Jeremiah Top 50

Some of these raise eyebrows a bit, but Jeremiah is pretty good.

News - Around the NFL - NFL.com

1. Saquon Barkley RB Penn St.
2. Quenton Nelson G Notre Dame
3. Tremaine Edmunds LB Virginia Tech
4. Bradley Chubb DE North Carolina St.
5. Minkah Fitzpatrick S Alabama

6. Sam Darnold QB USC
7. Josh Rosen QB UCLA
8. Denzel Ward CB Ohio St.
9. Vita Vea DT Washington
10. Marcus Davenport DE UTSA

11. Derwin James S Florida St.
12. Ronald Jones RB USC
13. Baker Mayfield QB Oklahoma
14. Josh Allen QB Wyoming
15. Derrius Guice RB LSU

16. Mike Hughes CB UCF
17. Connor Williams T Texas
18. Josh Jackson CB Iowa
19. Roquan Smith LB Georgia
20. Donte Jackson CB LSU

21. Maurice Hurst DT Michigan
22. Calvin Ridley WR Alabama
23. Jaire Alexander CB Louisville
24. Da'Ron Payne DT Alabama
25. James Daniels C Iowa

26. Taven Bryan DT Florida
27. Rashaan Evans LB Alabama
28. Sony Michel RB Georgia
29. Christian Kirk WR Texas A&M
30. Billy Price C Ohio St.

31. Orlando Brown T Oklahoma
32. Harrison Phillips DT Stanford
33. Arden Key LB LSU
34. Hayden Hurst TE South Carolina
35. Mike McGlinchey T Notre Dame

36. Isaiah Oliver CB Colorado
37. Isaiah Wynn G Georgia
38. Ronnie Harrison S Alabama
39. Harold Landry Edge Boston College
40. Leighton Vander Esch LB Boise St.

41. Sam Hubbard DE Ohio St.
42. Tyrell Crosby T Oregon
43. Lamar Jackson QB Louisville
44. Brian O'Neill T Pittsburgh
45. Courtland Sutton WR SMU

46. Dante Pettis WR Washington
47. Dallas Goedert TE South Dakota St.
48. Martinas Rankin T Mississippi St.
49. Nick Chubb RB Georgia
50. Kerryon Johnson RB Auburn

 

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Todd McShay Top-10 by position

QBs
1. *Sam Darnold, USC
2. *Josh Rosen, UCLA
3. *Josh Allen, Wyoming
4. Baker Mayfield, Oklahoma
5. Mason Rudolph, Oklahoma State
6. *Lamar Jackson, Louisville
7. Luke Falk, Washington State
8. Kyle Lauletta, Richmond
9. Kurt Benkert, Virginia
10. Mike White, Western Kentucky

There is a definite drop-off after the top four QBs here. Rosen is the most NFL-ready QB right now, but I believe Darnold has the higher long-term ceiling.

RBs
1. *Saquon Barkley, Penn State
2. Sony Michel, Georgia
3. *Derrius Guice, LSU
4. *Ronald Jones II, USC
5. Rashaad Penny, San Diego State
6. Nick Chubb, Georgia
7. *Kerryon Johnson, Auburn
8. Akrum Wadley, Iowa
9. *Josh Adams, Notre Dame
10. Royce Freeman, Oregon

Michel has impressed me lately and was terrific in the College Football Playoff, especially showing his speed against Alabama.

WRs
1. *Calvin Ridley, Alabama
2. *Christian Kirk, Texas A&M
3. *Courtland Sutton, SMU
4. James Washington, Oklahoma State
5. Anthony Miller, Memphis
6. D.J. Chark, LSU
7. *Auden Tate, Florida State
8. *D.J. Moore, Maryland
9. Michael Gallup, Colorado State
10. *Jordan Lasley, UCLA

Ridley is the cream of the 2018 draft wide receiver class crop, but not an Odell Beckham Jr. or Amari Cooper-type of No. 1 NFL wideout.

TEs
1. Dallas Goedert, South Dakota State
2. *Mark Andrews, Oklahoma
3. *Hayden Hurst, South Carolina
4. Mike Gesicki, Penn State
5. *Ryan Izzo, Florida State
6. Ian Thomas, Indiana
7. Troy Fumagalli, Wisconsin
8. Jordan Akins, UCF
9. Chris Herndon, Miami (Fla.)
10. Durham Smythe, Notre Dame

Goedert had another big season for South Dakota State, with 72 catches for 1,111 yards and 7 TDs, after 92 catches, 1,293 yards and 11 TDs in 2016.

OT
1. *Orlando Brown, Oklahoma
2. Mike McGlinchey, Notre Dame
3. *Connor Williams, Texas
4. *Brian O'Neill, Pitt
5. *Kolton Miller, UCLA
6. Martinas Rankin, Mississippi State
7. Chukwuma Okorafor, Western Michigan
8. Tyrell Crosby, Oregon
9. Desmond Harrison, West Georgia
10. Jamarco Jones, Ohio State

There is a lot of potential in this offensive tackle class, but not a surefire top-10 pick. At least at the moment.

C/G
1. *Quenton Nelson, G, Notre Dame
2. Billy Price, C, Ohio State
3. *James Daniels, C, Iowa
4. Braden Smith, G, Auburn
5. Frank Ragnow, C, Arkansas
6. *Will Clapp, G, LSU
7. Mason Cole, C, Michigan
8. Scott Quessenberry, G, UCLA
9. Skyler Phillips, G, Idaho State
10. Will Hernandez, G, UTEP

Nelson is a plug-and-play starter and exactly what you're looking for in a starting NFL guard.

DEs
1. Bradley Chubb, NC State
2. Marcus Davenport, UTSA
3. *Arden Key, LSU
4. *Rasheem Green, USC
5. *Sam Hubbard, Ohio State
6. Jalyn Holmes, Ohio State
7. Tyquan Lewis, Ohio State
8. Kentavius Street, NC State
9. Duke Ejiofor, Wake Forest
10. Dorance Armstrong Jr., Kansas

Davenport has been a hot name and I'll be interested to see him in person in Mobile for the Senior Bowl.

DTs
1. *Vita Vea, Washington
2. *Da'Ron Payne, Alabama
3. Mo Hurst, Michigan
4. *Taven Bryan, Florida
5. *Harrison Phillips, Stanford
6. Derrick Nnadi, Florida State
7. *RJ McIntosh, Miami (Fla.)
8. Deadrin Senat, South Florida
9. *Tim Settle, Virginia Tech
10. *Hercules Mata'afa, Washington State

Vea, the former HS running back, has the potential to put up some silly numbers at the combine.

ILBs
1. Rashaan Evans, Alabama
2. *Leighton Vander Esch, Boise State
3. Josey Jewell, Iowa
4. Micah Kiser, Virginia
5. Nick DeLuca, North Dakota State
6. Mike McCray, Michigan
7. Shaun Dion Hamilton, Alabama
8. Jack Cichy, Wisconsin
9. Fred Warner, BYU
10. Chris Worley, Ohio State

Evans made great strides this season after moving into the starting role late last year and is a likely top-40 pick.

OLBs
1. *Tremaine Edmunds, Virginia Tech
2. *Roquan Smith, Georgia
3. Harold Landry, Boston College
4. Uchenna Nwosu, USC
5. Obo Okoronkwo, Oklahoma
6. Lorenzo Carter, Georgia
7. *Malik Jefferson, Texas
8. Jeff Holland, Auburn
9. *Jerome Baker, Ohio State
10. Skai Moore, South Carolina

I've been hearing more buzz surrounding Edmunds, who has terrific athleticism and should test off the charts at the combine.

CBs
1. *Denzel Ward, Ohio State
2. *Josh Jackson, Iowa
3. *Mike Hughes, UCF
4. *Isaiah Oliver, Colorado
5. *Carlton Davis, Auburn
6. *M.J. Stewart, North Carolina
7. Anthony Averett, Alabama
8. *Tarvarus McFadden, Florida State
9. Chris Campbell, Penn State
10. *Jaire Alexander, Louisville

Jackson led the nation with 8 INTs, including three against Ohio State.

Safeties
1. *Minkah Fitzpatrick, Alabama
2. *Derwin James, Florida State
3. *Ronnie Harrison, Alabama
4. Armani Watts, Texas A&M
5. *Justin Reid, Stanford
6. Kyzir White, West Virginia
7. Quin Blanding, Virginia
8. Jeremy Reaves, South Alabama
9. *DeShon Elliott, Texas
10. Marcus Allen, Penn State

Fitzpatrick is a tremendous player who can do a little bit of everything, and could very well go in the top five.

 

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Todd McShay Big Board

http://www.espn.com/nfl/draft2018/i...nking-2018-nfl-draft-new-no-1-not-quarterback

Note: Underclassmen marked with asterisks.

1. Saquon Barkley RB Penn St.*
2. Sam Darnold QB USC*
3. Josh Rosen QB UCLA
4. Bradley Chubb DE North Carolina St.
5. Minkah Fitzpatrick S Alabama*

6. Denzel Ward CB Ohio St.
7. Tremaine Edmunds OLB Virginia Tech*
8. Roquan Smith OLB Georgia*
9. Quenton Nelson G Notre Dame*
10. Vita Vea DT Washington*

11. Derwin James S Florida St.*
12. Rashaan Evans LB Alabama
13. Orlando Brown T Oklahoma*
14. Josh Allen QB Wyoming*
15. Mike McGlinchey T Notre Dame

16. Calvin Ridley WR Alabama
17. Joshua Jackson CB Iowa*
18. Da'Ron Payne DT Alabama*
19. Baker Mayfield QB Oklahoma
20. Harold Landry OLB Boston College

21. Marcus Davenport DE UTSA
22. Mike Hughes CB UCF
23. Christian Kirk WR Texas A&M*
24. Maurice Hurst DT Michigan
25. Connor Williams T Texas*

26. Brian O'Neill T Pittsburgh*
27. Sony Michel RB Georgia
28. Rasheem Green DT USC*
29. Derrius Guice RB LSU*
30. Billy Price C Ohio St.
31. Isaiah Oliver CB Colorado*

 

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Mel Kiper's 15 best non-QB prospects in attendance

McShay just went through the quarterbacks at the Senior Bowl, so we asked ESPN NFL draft expert Mel Kiper Jr. to break down the other top prospects in Mobile, starting with a small-school guy who just made his latest Big Board:

10. Marcus Davenport, DE, UTSA
Team: South | Uniform number: 93

There has been a buzz about the 6-6 Davenport, who had 8.5 sacks and 17 tackles for loss in 2017. He's a quick-twitch pass-rusher who put up big numbers and made offensive linemen look silly in Conference USA. Can he do it against better competition in Mobile? He just debuted at No. 14 overall in my first mock draft. -- Kiper


11. Brian O'Neill, OT, Pittsburgh
Team: North | Uniform number: 70

Can O'Neill be dominant at the Senior Bowl the way he was down the stretch in 2017? Probably not. He's going to have to get a few reps against Davenport and other guys on this list. But I think he could show enough to go in the top 20 of the first round in April. A former tight end, he kept his athleticism as he put on the weight to move to tackle. At 6-6, 290, he could play on the left or right side. -- Kiper


12. Dallas Goedert, TE, South Dakota State
Team: South | Uniform number: 86

Goedert could be the first tight end picked in April. I have him ranked No. 2 at the position right now. It's a big step up from the FCS to the Senior Bowl, but the 6-5, 260-pounder has the frame and production to stand out. He reminds me of Eagles pass-catcher Zach Ertz. -- Kiper


13. Uchenna Nwosu, OLB, USC
Team: South | Uniform number: 42

Nwosu is probably going to be a 3-4 outside linebacker, and he shows good burst off the edge. He's not really big -- 6-2, 240 -- but he had a knack for making plays in the backfield in 2017, with 9.5 sacks. He's also extremely active in batting down passes, which shows his awareness that if he can't get to the quarterback, he can at least affect the play. Let's see how advanced his pass-rush moves are in Mobile. -- Kiper


14. Harrison Phillips, DT, Stanford
Team: North | Uniform number: 66

More than 100 tackles? From an interior defensive lineman? Yeah, Phillips had a great season with seven sacks and 16.5 tackles for loss. And he wears No. 66. That's a strong number for a defensive tackle. Phillips isn't a plugger -- he's listed at only 255 pounds -- but he can get to ball carriers in a hurry. I want to see what his true weight is in Mobile. -- Kiper


15. Tyquan Lewis, DE, Ohio State
Team: North | Uniform number: 59

Playing in a rotation with potential 2018 first-round pick Sam Hubbard and likely mid-round pick Jalyn Holmes -- plus possible 2019 first-round pick Nick Bosa -- Lewis gets a little lost in the shuffle. But there's a chance he could be picked near the top of Round 2, and he has a chance to prove himself in Mobile. At 6-4, 265, he's best suited to be a 4-3 end. He ran a little hot and cold in 2017 but finished the season strong with 3.5 tackles for loss in his final three games. -- Kiper


16. Rashaad Penny, RB, San Diego State
Team: South | Uniform number: 20

Penny didn't get the publicity of Stanford running back Bryce Love this season, but it was Penny who led the FBS in total rushing yards (2,248) and yards per game (172.9). He also had 23 rushing touchdowns. Could he be a mid-round steal like Kareem Hunt, who had a great 2018 Senior Bowl week, was last year? I think Penny could go in the second round, though he doesn't have the all-around game of Hunt. Penny is going to test well. -- Kiper


17. Austin Corbett, C/G, Nevada
Team: South | Uniform number: 73

I moved Corbett up to my No. 2-ranked guard, over another guard who will be at the Senior Bowl and who's in my honorable mention below. Corbett, a four-year starter, has played both left and right tackle for the Wolf Pack, but I think he'll kick inside to guard at 6-4, 305. NFL teams like him on the interior, either at guard or center. -- Kiper


18. Ogbonnia Okoronkwo, OLB, Oklahoma
Team: North | Uniform number: 31

I wrote during the season that Okoronkwo is a tough evaluation because of his size; he's listed at 6-1, 240, which is below average for a pass-rushing outside linebacker. But he can really rush the passer, and he's relentless. He had eight sacks and 17.5 tackles for loss in 2017. He's going to have to play in a 3-4 defense -- he's not a guy who could play end in a 4-3. But if he has a good week of practice, I could see him going early on Day 2 of the draft. -- Kiper


19. Mike Gesicki, TE, Penn State
Team: North | Uniform number: 88

Gesicki was my top-ranked tight end before the season, and now he's at No. 3. He's a prototypical modern-day tight end with great size (6-6, 250) and skills as a pass-catcher (14 touchdowns over the past two seasons) who needs to become a better blocker at the point of attack. But there's value in big targets who can move out to the slot and become mismatches against safeties. -- Kiper

Honorable mention:

20. Jalyn Holmes, DE, Ohio State: Holmes didn't put up huge numbers in a talented Buckeyes rotation, but he's super talented. -- Kiper

21. Will Hernandez, G, UTEP: Hernandez is a mauler who is my No. 3-ranked guard. -- Kiper

22. Ian Thomas, TE, Indiana: He averaged 15 yards per catch for the Hoosiers and is a big target at 6-5, 245. -- Kiper

23. Jaylon Samuels, H-back, NC State: He's a fun player to watch who should get some reps at tight end. -- Kiper

24. Johnny Townsend, P, Florida: Townsend is the best punter in this class. -- Kiper

 

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So now edmunds is top 5 all of a sudden???

Vea top 10??


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[dbair1967]

So now edmunds is top 5 all of a sudden???

Vea top 10??


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Its 3 months till the draft, stuff is gonna change quite a bit

 

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Its 3 months till the draft, stuff is gonna change quite a bit

ya but every position ranking ive looked at before these didnt even have him ranked at the top of his position, &now hes top 5 all of a sudden

 

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link: Scouting The Senior Bowl: Evaluating Mayfield, Shaquem Griffin, WRs, More | Dallas Cowboys


Scouting The Senior Bowl: Evaluating Mayfield, Shaquem Griffin, WRs, More
Tuesday, January 23, 2018 8:20 PM CST
By Bryan Broaddus



MOBILE, Ala. – Senior Bowl week practices are underway here in Mobile as the Cowboys continue their pre-draft evaluations. Here are my initial observations from Day 1 of workouts: Read

--Impressed with what I saw from James Washington (WR, Oklahoma State) when it came to catching the ball in traffic. The majority of his catches were made with a defender on him. Strong body and hands. Where he had his problems was when he had to separate in-route. Tried a double move on Danny Johnson (CB, Southern University) and he wasn’t able to get away. The question about him is not going to be about his hands, but whether he can develop as a route runner.

--The more I watch Shaquem Griffin (LB, Central Florida) the more I want him on my team. His ability to attack the corner has made it tough on these South Team offensive linemen to block him. I knew his quickness was outstanding on tape, but watching him live – it’s actually rare. He’s on the blocker so quickly, and due to his body type, he gives them no hitting surface. He makes it hard to get hands on him.

--No question that Josh Allen (QB, Wyoming) has a strong arm. The question I have is, does he know where the ball is going? Even against air, Allen had trouble completing passes, and it only got worse as he moved on to other drills. During team drills, there were several snaps where he had the opportunity to hit some open in-breaking routes, but the ball was way over the receiver’s head.

--Didn’t know much about Danny Johnson (CB, Southern University) and at 5-9, 182, he wasn’t a high priority for me. Now it appears he needs to be studied. He might not have the skill of some of the other smaller corners in the draft, but I was impressed with his movement. He wasn’t shy about playing routes and contested the ball. There were two snaps where he drove on a slant to knock the ball away and another time where he was in great position to handle the out.

--Today’s practice was the first time I've seen Marcus Davenport (DE, University of Texas-San Antonio) with his hand on the ground. He didn’t look as comfortable playing that way as he does from a two-point stance when it came to rushing the passer. They tried him some at tackle and that was a bad fit. Where he did look comfortable was playing the run. He had a couple of snaps where he was able to come off the ball, extend his hands and control the blocker. This is where his strength is noticeable.

--Rough practice for J'Mon Moore (WR, Missouri) catching the ball. Not all those passes were perfect, but in my opinion they were catchable. It appeared the harder he tried, the more difficult it was for him to make a play. Might have been some nerves in the opening practice. Hopefully things will improve for him Wednesday.

--Really liked what I saw from Uchenna Nwosu (LB, USC) in this opening practice. Like Shaquem Griffin, he was difficult to block coming off the edge. There is a suddenness to his game and it all stems from his first step. He explodes off the ball and is on the blocker before he has a chance to react. Once he gets that shoulder, he is able to really bend and sharpen his angle to the quarterback at the proper depth.

--Michael Gallup (WR, Colorado State) is a smooth route runner. I like the way he’s able to win off the line and get into his route. Gallup’s best physical trait is his hands. He has no problem catching the ball on the move.

--The best pass rusher on the North squad is Ogbonnia Okoronkwo (DE, Oklahoma). With these guys it’s all about that first step, and he has it. I believe that the Cowboys will project him to play as a SAM linebacker and nickel rusher. He’s relentless in the way he attacks the pocket and gets to the quarterback. One of his rushes forced Tanner Lee (QB, Nebraska) into an interception.

--Keep on eye this week on Kyzir White (S, West Virginia). At 6-2, 216, he’s built like a strong safety but has the movement skills of a free safety. He had a nice interception on a read off the hash where Luke Falk (QB, Washington State) never saw him.

--Brian O’Neill (OT, Pittsburgh) generally lines up on the left side, but the Broncos’ coaches have him playing right tackle. I like him better on his natural side, but I didn’t think he was terrible over on the right. His game is all about balance, and there was a snap or two where it appeared he was going to be beat but managed to recover to keep the rusher off the quarterback. Film had shown that he struggles at times with power, but that was not the case in this first practice. O’Neill is currently ranked as my second-best tackle behind Mike McGlinchey (Notre Dame).

--I’m happy to see Baker Mayfield (QB, Oklahoma) here working with these pro coaches. Nothing against his college coaches, but this Denver staff will get him started learning about the things that he will need to work on while getting ready for the draft. Teams are going to want to see him play under center some and evaluate how his footwork translates there. This first practice was a learning experience because there were some struggles, but it was a real step in the right direction, which would have never happened unless he made the decision to participate this week.

 

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Dallas Cowboys - Boise State wide receiver Cedrick Wilson

 

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derwin jr?? you watch kyzir white at all?

 

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Best of the rest
Here are the prospects who flashed on Day 2, including two pass-rushers on different teams:


Ogbonnia Okoronkwo, OLB, Oklahoma
Team: North | Uniform number: 31

We already know that Okoronkwo can come off the ball. He has great burst -- and effort -- off the edge. Okoronkwo finishes every drill at full speed and tracks down the ball in team periods. But after Tuesday's practice session, I wanted to see more from Okoronkwo in one-on-one pass rush. That's what we got on Day 2. Okoronkwo flashed a deeper set of pass-rush moves at the point of attack. He utilized his length (34 1/4-inch arms) to separate from blockers and also showcased his quickness on a spin move to open up an inside path to the quarterback. Those are similar traits that made Dwight Freeney a dominant NFL pass-rusher. Given Okoronkwo's measurements (6-foot-1, 243 pounds), he isn't a perfect fit as an NFL edge rusher. I get it. But with the speed, continued development on counter moves and motor with which he plays, Okoronkwo could carve out a role on defense as a rookie and really impact special teams as a cover guy on kickoffs. -- Bowen


Marcus Davenport, DE, Texas San Antonio
Team: South | Uniform number: 93

Through the two most important practices of the week, Davenport has declared himself. He's the best player here. Long and explosive with a quick get-off, he can threaten offensive tackles with both speed and power. He was also able to advance the pass rush, even when an offensive lineman won initial leverage, which is what separates the great pass-rushers from the good ones. I watched his Baylor tape on Tuesday night, and he must've played 70 plays but was still making tackles for loss in the fourth quarter. It wouldn't surprise me if he ends up being a top-15 pick. -- McShay


DaeSean Hamilton, WR, Penn State
Team: North | Uniform number: 5

Hamilton stood out Wednesday because he continued to create separation as a route runner in both one-on-ones and team periods. He got open all day. I'm looking at the out cuts, inside breaking routes and quick game. Hamilton (6-foot-1, 202 pounds) has a smooth gait when he drives off the ball, and there is some wiggle in hips to set up defensive backs at the break point. Sink at the top of the route, and generate speed to pull away from the coverage. And then do it again. We will need to get a 40 time on Hamilton during the pre-draft process, but he showed the necessary game speed with that route-running skill set. It was an impressive day for the Penn State product. -- Bowen


Armani Watts, S, Texas A&M
Team: North | Uniform number: 23

Watts has a smaller frame (5-foot-10, 191 pounds), but I liked his tape coming into this week's practice sessions in Mobile. He has some versatility to his game, and the speed and range are there to make plays over the top of the defense. Watts had an interception in Wednesday's practice and looked fluid in drills. He can transition from the deep middle of the field and play off the numbers as a two-high safety. He's athletic with good closing speed. Plus, Watts showed us that he can get nasty in the run front during third-down team period. Rolled down in the box, Watts dropped the hammer on Iowa running back Akrum Wadley. Fill the hole. Make good contact. And that's going to pop on practice film. -- Bowen


Ian Thomas, TE, Indiana
Team: North | Uniform number: 23

Penn State's Mike Gesicki is the highest-rated tight end in Mobile, but don't sleep on Thomas. The Indiana product has a thick frame (6-foot-3, 256 pounds), and he flashed his movement skills on Wednesday. Working against linebackers and safeties in coverage, Thomas used his athleticism to match up on middle-of-the-field routes. The footwork is there to run pivot and option routes. Thomas is quick to gain inside leverage with his hands, and I see enough speed to threaten defenses vertically on seam or corner routes. He didn't have a ton of production at Indiana -- only 28 career catches -- but I was impressed with his ability to run the inside route tree and gain the separation needed to give his quarterback a clean target. Good day of work for Thomas. -- Bowen


Kyzir White, S, West Virginia
Team: North | Uniform number: 28

At 6-foot-2, 216 pounds, White stands out during individual drills in the secondary with that long, athletic frame, and he's probably best suited to play in a zone-based defense. Think of the three-deep shells we see in Seattle or in Los Angeles with the Chargers. White can be that rolled-down strong safety to impact the run front or drive on the ball. He's a thumper on contact, an inside rover like a Kam Chancellor or Keanu Neal. White, however, showed the ability to play some deep third coverage this week and work as a Cover 2 defender. Yes, given his frame, White isn't going to have the transition speed like Watts showed Wednesday, but White is more flexible than I expected. With an interception in practice Tuesday and the movement skills to find the rock, he has put together a solid week. -- Bowen