2016 NFL Draft Thread...

[ZeroClub]

For NFL QBs, where is the line drawn between "sucks" and "doesn't suck"?

Does a journeyman starter like Ryan Fitzpatrick "suck" or does he "not suck"?

How about Sam Bradford or Colt McCoy? "Suck" or "not suck"?

Does any QB who fails to make at least one Pro Bowl in his NFL career "suck"?

Tim Tebow had 2 seasons with the Broncos and one with the Jets. JaMarcus Russell and Stephen McGee each lasted only 3 years in the league. Does it seem reasonable to set the line for "sucking" at having an NFL career that lasts no more than 3 years?

 

[cmd34]

For NFL QBs, where is the line drawn between "sucks" and "doesn't suck"?

Does a journeyman starter like Ryan Fitzpatrick "suck" or does he "not suck"?

How about Sam Bradford or Colt McCoy? "Suck" or "not suck"?

Does any QB who fails to make at least one Pro Bowl in his NFL career "suck"?

Tim Tebow had 2 seasons with the Broncos and one with the Jets. JaMarcus Russell and Stephen McGee each lasted only 3 years in the league. Does it seem reasonable to set the line for "sucking" at having an NFL career that lasts no more than 3 years?

Nope. Ryan Leaf played 5 seasons.

 

[MrB]

For NFL QBs, where is the line drawn between "sucks" and "doesn't suck"?

Does a journeyman starter like Ryan Fitzpatrick "suck" or does he "not suck"?

How about Sam Bradford or Colt McCoy? "Suck" or "not suck"?

Does any QB who fails to make at least one Pro Bowl in his NFL career "suck"?

Tim Tebow had 2 seasons with the Broncos and one with the Jets. JaMarcus Russell and Stephen McGee each lasted only 3 years in the league. Does it seem reasonable to set the line for "sucking" at having an NFL career that lasts no more than 3 years?

Coaching/system plays a big part in if a QB sucks or not. Fitzpatrick is a perfect example. When he's been with Chan Gailey he's been pretty successful (or at very least he hasn't sucked). When he's been with any other coach he's been pretty horrible. Other than Romo, pretty much ever QB that has come through Dallas has sucked. Well Matt Moore had a good camp here but then was cut. I guess Kitna didn't suck either but I'd say he was average at best.

 

[ZeroClub]

Nope. Ryan Leaf played 5 seasons.

O.K. so suggest an alternative definition.

When you say that Prescott "sucks" or at least will "suck" in the NFL, how short must his NFL career be in order for you to be proven correct?

 

[peplaw06]

It's all relative. Tebow sucks compared to Fitzpatrick. Fitzpatrick sucks compared to Romo. Romo sucks compared to Brady. Brady sucks if you expect Super Bowl wins every year.

 

[cmd34]

O.K. so suggest an alternative definition.

When you say that Prescott "sucks" or at least will "suck" in the NFL, how short must his NFL career be in order for you to be proven correct?

His stats and lack of production will be will be what determines how bad he sucks. Back-up QB is like being a left-handed pitcher or a 7-footer. You can have a long career if you are in the right situation.

 

[dbair1967]

Prescott might be okay with a staff you knew could develop him properly. But Garrett and Wade W?

I really don't think he can be developed anywhere.

 

[dbair1967]

Interesting. Some put a lot of stock into the so called "Parcells rules for drafting a QB". KC Joyner says Connor Cook would be the top rated QB based on those parameters. I don't have ESPN Insider access so cant post the whole thing, maybe someone else does.

Connor Cook rates best among NFL draft QBs in Parcells Rules

Connor Cook rates best among NFL draft QBs in Parcells Rules

11:21 AM ET
KC Joyner
ESPN Insider

During his long tenure as a successful talent evaluator, Hall of Fame head coach Bill Parcells came up with a list of seven criteria he used when grading quarterbacks in an upcoming NFL draft.

1. Be a three-year starter
2. Be a senior in college
3. Graduate from college
4. Start 30 games
5. Win 23 games
6. Post a 2-1 touchdown-to-interception ratio
7. Tally a completion rate of 60 percent or higher

There can be reasonable disagreements about how these rules are applied, but the central theme behind them is important. They aim to help teams identify durable, accurate and self-motivated passers who will finish what they start and who can convert drives into touchdowns while avoiding mistakes.

It's rare for a first-round caliber quarterback to meet all of these rule requirements. In the BCS/Power 5 era (which includes the 1999 through 2015 NFL drafts), only 10 have successfully done this. They are, in alphabetical order: Drew Brees, Robert Griffin III, Byron Leftwich, Matt Leinart, Andrew Luck, Eli Manning, Marcus Mariota, Chad Pennington, Philip Rivers and Tim Tebow. Parcells himself indicated that Teddy Bridgewater could also be included on the list despite leaving college as a junior because Bridgewater had already completed his degree.

That list includes two likely Hall of Famers (Brees and Manning), a player with 96 career wins and five playoff berths (Rivers), one who posted playoff berths in every season he started 10 or more games (Pennington), a current top-five quarterback (Luck) and two of the best young quarterbacks in the league (Bridgewater and Mariota). That's seven success stories and doesn't include Griffin, who won the offensive rookie of the year award before off-field issues seemed to derail his career.

So how does this year's quarterback draft crop rate in the Parcells Rules? Let's take a look, but in an effort to expand the field, we'll review quarterbacks who ranked in a first- or second-round tier in Todd McShay's tier rankings, a list that includes Carson Wentz, Jared Goff, Paxton Lynch, Connor Cook and Christian Hackenberg

 

[dbair1967]

On another note regarding him, the Chargers are apparently one of the teams saying they would play him at SS

Myles Jack - LB - Player

NFL.com reports that UCLA LB Myles Jack's right knee is "fully healed," but that he's unlikely to run the 40-yard dash before the draft.

"He's close, but he's not totally ready, and I'm not gonna let him go out there and run an average time," Jack's agent said. Those words, of course, suggest Jack isn't "fully healed," after all. Jack tore his meniscus in September. It's a bit of a red flag that he doesn't feel 100 percent comfortable sixth months after the fact. Jack is still widely expected to be one of the first 10 players off the board in next month's draft

 

[dbair1967]

Almost hated to post this due to all the monkey spanking CMD is going to do over it.

Casserly: Jalen Ramsey is better prospect than Patrick Peterson

By Chase Goodbread
College Football 24/7 writer
Published: March 29, 2016 at 08:17 p.m.
Updated: March 29, 2016 at 08:57 p.m.

Jalen Ramsey didn't hesitate to call himself the best prospect in the 2016 NFL Draft following his pro day workout Tuesday, and NFL Media analyst Charley Casserly didn't hesitate to put Ramsey in strong company, either.

The former Washington Redskins and Houston Texans general manager believes the Florida State defensive back is a better prospect for press man-to-man coverage than the Arizona Cardinals' Patrick Peterson, who was the No. 5 overall selection in the 2011 draft.

"What I see is what's on tape, he's a press corner. He's a zone corner sometimes in cover two," Casserly said. " ... I think he's a better prospect than Patrick Peterson as a press corner coming out of college ... that's a Pro Bowl statement."

Indeed, Peterson has been selected to the Pro Bowl in each of his five NFL seasons. The Cardinals made Peterson the first cornerback drafted in 2011, and Peterson hasn't missed a regular-season start since. Just three years into his rookie contract, the club signed Peterson to a five-year contract extension worth $70 million.

If Ramsey's potential is beyond that of Peterson, at least in a press corner role, the NFL club that drafts him next month will be thrilled with its return on the investment.

"Some people I've talked to that evaluated him are a little concerned about his hips and ability to play off," Casserly added. "When I watched him at the combine, I thought the hips were fine, the drill work was fine. The little bit we saw there was very impressive to see him in an off-corner position."

Ramsey is projected to be the No. 1 pick of the Tennessee Titans by analysts Charles Davis and Bucky Brooks, while Daniel Jeremiah and Lance Zierlein see him going to the San Diego Chargers at No. 3 overall. If Ramsey is expected to match Peterson's five Pro Bowl selections in his first five seasons, it's no wonder he won't last long in the draft.

 

[dbair1967]

Greg Gabriel ‎‎@greggabe

Su'a Cravens agent is making a huge mistake saying no to Private workouts. It's a very important part of the process and it will cost Su'a $

 

[Midswat]

No fucking way a cornerback goes #1 overall.

Just don't see it. Ever.

 

[onlyonenow]

No fucking way a cornerback goes #1 overall.

Just don't see it. Ever.

if the Titans think that their current LT can develop that takes Tunsil out of the mix; that leaves Ramsey and Jack as the clear choices since more and more people are taking off their rose colored glasses as regards Bosa. By that criteria you can see how it could be Ramsey

 

[Midswat]

No.

Fucking.

Way.

 

[cmd34]

Interesting. Some put a lot of stock into the so called "Parcells rules for drafting a QB". KC Joyner says Connor Cook would be the top rated QB based on those parameters. I don't have ESPN Insider access so cant post the whole thing, maybe someone else does.

Connor Cook rates best among NFL draft QBs in Parcells Rules

Connor Cook rates best among NFL draft QBs in Parcells Rules

11:21 AM ET
KC Joyner
ESPN Insider

During his long tenure as a successful talent evaluator, Hall of Fame head coach Bill Parcells came up with a list of seven criteria he used when grading quarterbacks in an upcoming NFL draft.

1. Be a three-year starter
2. Be a senior in college
3. Graduate from college
4. Start 30 games
5. Win 23 games
6. Post a 2-1 touchdown-to-interception ratio
7. Tally a completion rate of 60 percent or higher

There can be reasonable disagreements about how these rules are applied, but the central theme behind them is important. They aim to help teams identify durable, accurate and self-motivated passers who will finish what they start and who can convert drives into touchdowns while avoiding mistakes.

It's rare for a first-round caliber quarterback to meet all of these rule requirements. In the BCS/Power 5 era (which includes the 1999 through 2015 NFL drafts), only 10 have successfully done this. They are, in alphabetical order: Drew Brees, Robert Griffin III, Byron Leftwich, Matt Leinart, Andrew Luck, Eli Manning, Marcus Mariota, Chad Pennington, Philip Rivers and Tim Tebow. Parcells himself indicated that Teddy Bridgewater could also be included on the list despite leaving college as a junior because Bridgewater had already completed his degree.

That list includes two likely Hall of Famers (Brees and Manning), a player with 96 career wins and five playoff berths (Rivers), one who posted playoff berths in every season he started 10 or more games (Pennington), a current top-five quarterback (Luck) and two of the best young quarterbacks in the league (Bridgewater and Mariota). That's seven success stories and doesn't include Griffin, who won the offensive rookie of the year award before off-field issues seemed to derail his career.

So how does this year's quarterback draft crop rate in the Parcells Rules? Let's take a look, but in an effort to expand the field, we'll review quarterbacks who ranked in a first- or second-round tier in Todd McShay's tier rankings, a list that includes Carson Wentz, Jared Goff, Paxton Lynch, Connor Cook and Christian Hackenberg

Didn't I post exactly this a few months ago? Come on KC Joyner! Cite your sources....

 

[MrB]

Interesting. Some put a lot of stock into the so called "Parcells rules for drafting a QB". KC Joyner says Connor Cook would be the top rated QB based on those parameters. I don't have ESPN Insider access so cant post the whole thing, maybe someone else does.

Connor Cook rates best among NFL draft QBs in Parcells Rules

Connor Cook rates best among NFL draft QBs in Parcells Rules

11:21 AM ET
KC Joyner
ESPN Insider

During his long tenure as a successful talent evaluator, Hall of Fame head coach Bill Parcells came up with a list of seven criteria he used when grading quarterbacks in an upcoming NFL draft.

1. Be a three-year starter
2. Be a senior in college
3. Graduate from college
4. Start 30 games
5. Win 23 games
6. Post a 2-1 touchdown-to-interception ratio
7. Tally a completion rate of 60 percent or higher

There can be reasonable disagreements about how these rules are applied, but the central theme behind them is important. They aim to help teams identify durable, accurate and self-motivated passers who will finish what they start and who can convert drives into touchdowns while avoiding mistakes.

It's rare for a first-round caliber quarterback to meet all of these rule requirements. In the BCS/Power 5 era (which includes the 1999 through 2015 NFL drafts), only 10 have successfully done this. They are, in alphabetical order: Drew Brees, Robert Griffin III, Byron Leftwich, Matt Leinart, Andrew Luck, Eli Manning, Marcus Mariota, Chad Pennington, Philip Rivers and Tim Tebow. Parcells himself indicated that Teddy Bridgewater could also be included on the list despite leaving college as a junior because Bridgewater had already completed his degree.

That list includes two likely Hall of Famers (Brees and Manning), a player with 96 career wins and five playoff berths (Rivers), one who posted playoff berths in every season he started 10 or more games (Pennington), a current top-five quarterback (Luck) and two of the best young quarterbacks in the league (Bridgewater and Mariota). That's seven success stories and doesn't include Griffin, who won the offensive rookie of the year award before off-field issues seemed to derail his career.

So how does this year's quarterback draft crop rate in the Parcells Rules? Let's take a look, but in an effort to expand the field, we'll review quarterbacks who ranked in a first- or second-round tier in Todd McShay's tier rankings, a list that includes Carson Wentz, Jared Goff, Paxton Lynch, Connor Cook and Christian Hackenberg

I really liked Cook before the rumors came out that he is extremely arrogant and has a huge sense of entitlement. Kind of reminds me of Joey Harrington. Looks the part, he's big, good arm, and athletic enough but he's just a prick.

 

[dbair1967]

I'm still not as down on him as so many appear to be.

Still also won't surprise me if he ends going in the late first round either.

 

[boozeman]

Anyone care to explain why we would be interested in Buckner...at all?

 

[ZeroClub]

Almost hated to post this due to all the monkey spanking CMD is going to do over it.

Casserly: Jalen Ramsey is better prospect than Patrick Peterson

By Chase Goodbread
College Football 24/7 writer
Published: March 29, 2016 at 08:17 p.m.
Updated: March 29, 2016 at 08:57 p.m.

Jalen Ramsey didn't hesitate to call himself the best prospect in the 2016 NFL Draft following his pro day workout Tuesday, and NFL Media analyst Charley Casserly didn't hesitate to put Ramsey in strong company, either.

The former Washington Redskins and Houston Texans general manager believes the Florida State defensive back is a better prospect for press man-to-man coverage than the Arizona Cardinals' Patrick Peterson, who was the No. 5 overall selection in the 2011 draft.

"What I see is what's on tape, he's a press corner. He's a zone corner sometimes in cover two," Casserly said. " ... I think he's a better prospect than Patrick Peterson as a press corner coming out of college ... that's a Pro Bowl statement."

Indeed, Peterson has been selected to the Pro Bowl in each of his five NFL seasons. The Cardinals made Peterson the first cornerback drafted in 2011, and Peterson hasn't missed a regular-season start since. Just three years into his rookie contract, the club signed Peterson to a five-year contract extension worth $70 million.

If Ramsey's potential is beyond that of Peterson, at least in a press corner role, the NFL club that drafts him next month will be thrilled with its return on the investment.

"Some people I've talked to that evaluated him are a little concerned about his hips and ability to play off," Casserly added. "When I watched him at the combine, I thought the hips were fine, the drill work was fine. The little bit we saw there was very impressive to see him in an off-corner position."

Ramsey is projected to be the No. 1 pick of the Tennessee Titans by analysts Charles Davis and Bucky Brooks, while Daniel Jeremiah and Lance Zierlein see him going to the San Diego Chargers at No. 3 overall. If Ramsey is expected to match Peterson's five Pro Bowl selections in his first five seasons, it's no wonder he won't last long in the draft.

Anybody have access to articles hyping Mo before the draft?

 

[ThoughtExperiment]

Not an article but here's a "scouting report" from Walter Football. You know it's crap from the very first positive. Claiborne never had "elite speed" or even close.

Also, on Ramsey -- I've barely seen him at all, but it's a huge red flag to me when people are saying he might be a better safety than corner. You never ever take a truly great man to man corner and put him at safety. Casserly is giving something away there when he says his drill work and especially his hips were "fine." They should be spectacular to be considering taking him this high.

2012 NFL Draft Scouting Report: Morris Claiborne

Strengths:
Elite speed
Cover corner; rarely allows separation
Can run with receivers in and out of breaks
Phenomenal ball skills
Capacity to make clutch game-changing plays
Excellent hands
Fast feet
Can quickly flip his hips to turn and run
Very athletic
Extremely agile
Can play bump-and-run
Body control
Can turn and run with receivers on deep routes
Intelligent about when he initiates contact
Good tackler
Quality height
Has some physicality with receivers
Not a gambler
Can play well in zone
Solid contributor against the run



Weaknesses:
Could use some more bulk

Read more at http://walterfootball.com/scoutingreport2012mclaiborne.php#WQKV4ee9SZkgD3Hf.99