2013 NFL Draft Thread

[dbair1967]

Real close to finishing my Masters .

they have a masters in being gay?

 

[junk]

So I was in a wedding this weekend and largely missed the bulk of the draft. However, I'm sure you ass clowns have all been on the edge of your seat to hear my thoughts on the draft (outside of my one foray to bitch about the logic of drafting a TE in the 2nd round again).

I actually like Frederick, but I think he needs to be a center and not a guard. I think they got raped in the move down, but teams don't seem to be getting the value out of picks that they used to. I was more concerned about the general disorganization in the war room. Oh, you say that Floyd was ranked in the top 10 of your board, but on draft day you figured out he didn't fit your scheme? Brilliant.

Escobar in 2. Bleh. Everyone loves this idea of a two TE offense and the mismatches it causes. Just never really seems to work and Dallas has thrown 3 2nd round picks at it in 6 years. Those picks could have been used to fill some other holes instead of drafting a 4th or 5th receiving option. I actually don't mind Escobar as a prospect. I don't think Garrett is creative enough to use him though. Looked like he ran a lot of screens and stuff at SDSU. Hopefully, the next coach is a little more creative offensively.

Terrance Williams - I actually really like this pick. I know WR wasn't as big of a need as some positions, but it was a need. No depth outside behind Austin and Dez. Both have had some injury issues. Williams was super productive and great value in 3.

J.J. Wilcox - I like Wilcox......just not sure I like him that high. Only played safety for 1 year at a small school. For comparison, Matt Johnson had like 17 picks in college at the same level of competition. I'm not sure that Wilcox had any. Lots of other guys I would have preferred there.

B.W. Webb - Another pick I'm not much of a fan of. Small school corner. Other positions with less depth than corner. Outside of Landry Jones and the TE taken at the end of the round, I would have preferred ANY of the players taken after Webb in 4.

Randle - Good pick and good value here.

Holloman - Good pick late in the draft. Like his upside.

 

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@evansilva 8h
NFL personnel man on #Packers rookie RB Johnathan Franklin: "Not real impressive. Plays small & doesn't play fast":



Fuckin' told you, dbair.

 

[cmd34]

NFL personnel man

if that quote is from Jerry or from a Jacksonville personnel man does it have any merit?

Ted Thompson's pretty good. I'll trust him over unnamed guy from who knows what team.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

if that quote is from Jerry or from a Jacksonville personnel man does it have any merit?

Ted Thompson's pretty good. I'll trust him over unnamed guy from who knows what team.

Just a step above, "If Monte Kiffin and Rod Marinator decided that we don't need Dline help, then we don't need Dline help! gaysex".

Good job for raising the bar.

 

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stfu cmd

 

[cmd34]

"If Monte Kiffin and Rod Marinator decided that we don't need Dline help, then we don't need Dline help!

The difference is they are towing the company line. Look at Big Rob. While he was here he regurgitated Jerry's line that we didn't need a big, massive NT or quicker Safeties for his version of the 3-4. Then, as soon as he gets to New Orleans he adds Vacarro and the 360-pound NT John Jenkins.

 

[dbair1967]

@evansilva 8h
NFL personnel man on #Packers rookie RB Johnathan Franklin: "Not real impressive. Plays small & doesn't play fast":



Fuckin' told you, dbair.

Fag

 

[dbair1967]

The difference is they are towing the company line. Look at Big Rob. While he was here he regurgitated Jerry's line that we didn't need a big, massive NT or quicker Safeties for his version of the 3-4. Then, as soon as he gets to New Orleans he adds Vacarro and the 360-pound NT John Jenkins.

I don't think Fat Rob makes personnel decisions in New Orleans. They have a real GM there and a HC who really does ok all moves.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

The difference is they are towing the company line. Look at Big Rob. While he was here he regurgitated Jerry's line that we didn't need a big, massive NT or quicker Safeties for his version of the 3-4. Then, as soon as he gets to New Orleans he adds Vacarro and the 360-pound NT John Jenkins.

I said, 'good job'. No need to defend yourself.

 

[LAZARUS_LOGAN]

Talking about Frederick on the ticket

fuckin a reach.

FUCK!!!!

And no, we didn't really take Frederick, did we? You guys aren't serious?

Sturm saying Frederick is a third or fourth rounder.

Good god, saying he is a terrible athlete who won't become a starter.

i like the player. not sure if value is there... but I do like TF.

He is. Fat, sloppy, and unathletic. Yeah, he's tough, but still.

I hate this team. We need OL... and this is the shit we get.

Should have stayed at #18 and taken Floyd.

 

[ThoughtExperiment]

Great bump, Laz

 

[dbair1967]

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Fantasy College Football Breaking News - Rotoworld.com

Eric Reid: Reid draws comparison to top-ten pick Barron

Eric Reid - S - LSU - Jul. 13 - 4:08 pm et
NFL Network draft analyst Chad Reuter compares LSU junior S Eric Reid to recent top-ten pick Mark Barron.
Reuter calls Reid "the next SEC safety on which scouts have their eye," and possesses the size, athleticism, intelligence, and toughness to be an impact player. Oklahoma junior Tony Jefferson, Texas senior Kenny Vaccaro, USC senior T.J. McDonald, and Georgia senior Shawn Williams make up the rest of the top-five. The safety position has been weak in recent years, but this group could change that in the 2013 Draft. Jul. 13 - 4:08 pm et


full article
Eric Reid, Tony Jefferson among top college safeties - NFL.com

Eric Reid, Tony Jefferson among top college safetie sBy Chad Reuter
Draft analyst
Published: July 13, 2012 at 11:40 a.m.

Featuring a combination of traits coveted in safeties, Eric Reid is a natural leader on LSU's vaunted defense.

Football season is right around the corner! Not only in the NFL, but at the college level, too. As a resident guru of the Saturday standouts, Chad Reuter provides the top draft-eligible college players at each position in a 10-part series. Today's group is the safeties.

Think about the job asked of a top-level safety. They are asked to cover a large share of the deep part of the field against elite passing offenses, line up against slot receivers and tight ends becoming more integral parts of those schemes, take on blockers in the run game, and be an efficient and powerful last line of defense. And sometimes they have to accomplish more than one of these duties in the same play.

Not an easy job description.

The required agility, speed, ball skills, and power to become a difference-maker at the position are why few safeties are picked in the early rounds of the draft. The only position aside from kicking specialists with fewer first-round and second-round selections over the past five drafts than safeties (18) are tight ends (11).

Alabama's Mark Barron rose up boards during the draft process last spring to become the third Southeastern Conference safety in the past six drafts to receive the rare elite grade at the position. Barron went seventh overall to the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, joining former LSU Tiger LaRon Landry (Washington Redskins, 6th, 2007), and Tennessee Volunteer Eric Berry (Kansas City Chiefs, 5th, 2010) as SEC defensive backs picked in the top 10 picks of their respective drafts.

But despite the talent of Barron and fellow first rounder Harrison Smith of Notre Dame (Minnesota Vikings, 29th overall), the depth of last year's safety class was simply not very good. NFL scouts will be much happier with the available talent throughout the top half of the 2013 draft -- especially if all of the back-half defenders listed below meet expectations with their play this fall.

*Denotes underclassmen.

Eric Reid, 6-2, 208, LSU*
The next SEC safety on which scouts have their eye, Reid brings the size, athleticism, intelligence and toughness to become an impact player in coverage (five passes defended in 2011) as well as against the run (LSU's leading tackler last year with 76).
NFL Comparison: Mark Barron



Expectations are high for Oklahoma's Tony Jefferson despite his short stature. (Matthew Emmons/US Presswire)

Tony Jefferson, 5-10, 199, Oklahoma*
Though shorter than most scouts prefer, Jefferson's leadership skills, physicality around the line of scrimmage (14.5 tackles for loss the past two years) and nickel corner-like coverage skills (four interceptions in 2011) will entice teams despite those average measurements.
NFL Comparison: T.J. Ward

Kenny Vaccaro, 6-1, 215, Texas
Vaccaro is a confident, athletic All-Big 12 performer with first-round potential as a combo safety (14 pass break-ups the past two seasons, often playing as a nickel back) if able to prove his instincts as a last line of defense.
NFL Comparison: Michael Griffin

T.J. McDonald, 6-3, 205, USC
The son of NFL Pro Bowl safety Tim McDonald earns All-American recognition for his big hits and hands in coverage (six interceptions in 2010-2011), but needs to show better agility and instincts to be considered an elite prospect capable of handling NFL receivers in coverage.
NFL Comparison: Deon Grant

Shawn Williams, 6-1, 220, Georgia
A probable starter at strong safety in the NFL, Williams combines a thick build, fiery attitude, and very good athleticism to be an intimidator over the middle and in the run game (led Georgia with 72 tackles last season), as well as create turnovers (four interceptions in 2011).
NFL Comparison: Sean Jones

Micah Hyde, 6-1, 190, Iowa
Hyde usually lines up at cornerback for the Hawkeyes, but has played just enough safety to show he can be a physical presence and a threat to play as a centerfielder (he has seven picks over the past two seasons) to potentially make the switch, if his new team deems it necessary.
NFL Comparison: Sherrod Martin

Robert Lester, 6-2, 210, Alabama
Although Lester's overall agility might not wow scouts, he is a productive leader on a defense filled with NFL-caliber talent and possesses the ball skills (10 interceptions in 2010-2011) and toughness against the run to earn a starting role at the next level.
NFL Comparison: James Butler

Follow Chad Reuter on Twitter @ChadReuter

This was a pretty good year for safeties.

 

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Forgot how bad I schooled dbair on johnatban franklin.

 

[dbair1967]

Forgot how bad I schooled dbair on johnatban franklin.

props amigo

 

[LAZARUS_LOGAN]

Great bump, Laz

Fit for the occasion. Fredericks will be going up against Floyd, and I recall how many on ts board wanted Floyd.

 

[ThoughtExperiment]

Floyd isn't even playing tonight, is he? I thought he was out.

 

[peplaw06]

Mid wins on Frederick.

Still think that was a reach, but glad we got him.

 

[ThoughtExperiment]

Fred is yet more proof not to trust the internet draft gurus too much. I was going on what I read about him. Then I watched some of his highlights and thought, "This guy might not be the best athlete but he *never* gets pushed backwards. Dude is strong as an ox."

So now I try to only have strong opinions on players I've actually watched myself.