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    2013 Season Game Threads Mega-Merge

    All right maybe 3-0.:confused
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    2013 Season Game Threads Mega-Merge

    There it is. 7-0.
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    2013 Season Game Threads Mega-Merge

    Oh crap. Another lame-ass intro.
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    2013 Season Game Threads Mega-Merge

    Harbaugh is a bitch. He spends too much time pretending his team is being short-changed by the refs.
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    Proposed Law Would Force Churches to Host Gay Weddings

    If I'm not mistaken, you yourself have said homosexuality is a lifestyle choice. If so, how is it an orientation if not biologically innate? What has made it a part of specific code which can then make it part of a unique class? Can political orientation then become a protected class? People...
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    Proposed Law Would Force Churches to Host Gay Weddings

    Yes, when you make a claim you cite examples to back it up. Is this weird? The example from England is in fact accurate and why you think because it's from another country it's invalid, I can't tell. We don't live in a vacuum and religion and all ideological movements are global. Conversely...
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    Proposed Law Would Force Churches to Host Gay Weddings

    No I'm someone commenting on current events concerning a specific topic being discussed. I'm not sure you really have a grasp on what an 'agenda' is. If citing examples to back an argument is either alarmist or indicative of 'an agenda', what else is there beyond ad hominem talking points, not...
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    Proposed Law Would Force Churches to Host Gay Weddings

    ? I'm not really sure why you would think it's ok to force anyone to either have to compromise their belief or lose an aspect of fund raising. Sure there are other ways; but is it right to force them into these situations? There are other ways for you to make a living, should you be forced to...
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    Proposed Law Would Force Churches to Host Gay Weddings

    That really makes little sense. Sexual preference isn't a class of people. There is no unique trait prevalent but for their habits. It's like saying smokers are somehow to be classed because despite that anyone can do so they are really unique. Below you're saying that pimps and pornographers...
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    Proposed Law Would Force Churches to Host Gay Weddings

    So? There isn't an active investigation into his job performance, they're investigating him for his public speaking after he filed his complaint, which so far has gone unquestioned and not denied.
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    Proposed Law Would Force Churches to Host Gay Weddings

    I'm not sure what you're even saying here. Taking away an avenue of raising funds does affect a church's mission.
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    Proposed Law Would Force Churches to Host Gay Weddings

    Gee, I wonder if this is discriminatory...? Prohibiting a business to grow because of the constitutionally protected right of it's CEO's profession of faith and doctrine. Link Of course he made an odd statement afterward to confirm why he was denying them the right to do business there...
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    Proposed Law Would Force Churches to Host Gay Weddings

    I'm accepting the complaint that he filed is accurate and I have no doubt it is, because his claim is not disputed, his actions of talking to the press about it are what has him in trouble. And if talking to the press is what it takes, despite the consequences, good for him. If it were simple...
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    Proposed Law Would Force Churches to Host Gay Weddings

    Raising funds isn't acting like a business. The portion that would make it so - profiteering - is missing. The church raises funds for it's simple existence and for charity work. To think it's fine to limit their ability to do so is a horrible idea. It's an indirect way of short changing the...
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    Proposed Law Would Force Churches to Host Gay Weddings

    And who is homosexuality unique to? It's simply a behavior that transcends class, gender, race, etc. It's the behavior itself that is objected to, as well as the actions pursuant to that behavior. Like promoting it within the church, through expressly gay meetings. Again, will a church be forced...
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    Proposed Law Would Force Churches to Host Gay Weddings

    Maybe you can be clearer here… You say they can exclude a production crew, then go on to say they're taking in any group with cash except this one and it's discrimination. It's obviously not just a gay group then, if they can refuse the production crew. They set certain standards and it's their...
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    Proposed Law Would Force Churches to Host Gay Weddings

    I thought the same, but really, how far are you going to be restricted to avoid the confrontation? They're not a commodity and service provider and if they own the building there's no excuse for forcing them to do anything that contradicts their right to practice what they preach.
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    Proposed Law Would Force Churches to Host Gay Weddings

    Whatever way it can be portrayed doesn't change what's at the heart of the matter.A lesbian commander who became confrontational about his faith and what followed after is. He might be doing it intentionally to bring to the public what is happening, but the larger picture is, if this is what is...
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    Proposed Law Would Force Churches to Host Gay Weddings

    They're not acting like a business, they're subletting their space in certain instances to raise cash for their non-profit entity. There's a difference. Their 'business' isn't renting, like a restaurant's is providing food. Church's aren't businesses and their focus is specifically something...
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    Proposed Law Would Force Churches to Host Gay Weddings

    Anyone supporting this garbage has no clue what they're letting them selves in for. It has nothing to do with 'equality'. When people want to blab that our military can't be overcome and an invasion is a ludicrous idea. Wait until it's been dispirited with this awful shit and the will to fight...
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