NFL Week #14: TNF | Dallas Cowboys (8-4) @ Chicago Bears (5-7)

[yimyammer]

I've got to go back to relying on superstitious bullshit, so I am not going to watch the games anymore and just DVR them and hope me watching live jinxes them

Worked!

 

[Doomsday]

Sure they had more help, but they were also all three better than this current trio.

Yep here too.

 

[Cdgreer]

Aikman says Romo is a great QB. They are different type players, the teams are different as well as the league is different. It's nice to compare but it's not apples to apples on comparisons.

 

[Doomsday]

It's nice to compare but it's not apples to apples on comparisons.

Right, it's barely even the same playing field. Today the commonly used fast track fields would favor the Dallas teams of the 90s nicely, but were rare back then.

 

[Doomsday]

Aikman says Romo is a great QB.

And he is, for his era. I don't think he survives Troy's '89 season.

 

[cmd34]

You'd have to have a clue what he was talking about or "complaining" about (if he was even complaining), and you don't unless you had him MIC'd up to your computer or something. I still think he was pissed about the slack ass way the team played in the 4th qtr, making a game which should have been a massive blowout a nail biter.

I don't know what he was saying but he was going back and forth with Dooley and it didn't look good. Very TO'ish. I'm usually defending Dez's passion but again, that didn't look good at all.

 

[dbair1967]

Right, it's barely even the same playing field. Today the commonly used fast track fields would favor the Dallas teams of the 90s nicely, but were rare back then.

Todays playing surfaces are vastly superior to the shit that was out there in the 80's and most of the 90's. The playing surfaces at Philly, NYG and Dallas were all pretty hard and not very forgiving. Philly had probably the worst artificial surface in sports. Those guys careers might have all went on another couple of good years had they not taken the pounding they did.

 

[Sheik]

If Romo doesn't make the HOF, I'll be surprised. It's about individual performance and he's through the roof when it comes to what he's done as a passer.

It hurts that he had a late start, but so did Kurt Warner(he absolutely should get in), one thing that will help his cause is I've noticed he's started to win over the media this year. I've never seen him get the kind of love he's gotten this year.

You can put his numbers(year by year)up against pretty much anyone not named Peyton Manning.

 

[Doomsday]

I don't know what he was saying but he was going back and forth with Dooley and it didn't look good. Very TO'ish. I'm usually defending Dez's passion but again, that didn't look good at all.

Dez needs to learn to care about OPTICS.

Irvin was passionate and vocal too, but had Ax to keep him more stable. Dez doesn't have such a mentor/sounding board.

 

[cmd34]

Sure they had more help, but they were also all three better than this current trio

You understand that my argument wasn't that this current group is better? I said that the biggest difference was Jimmy Johnson. Although all 3 of the HOF'ers were better I don' think that difference is as big as the lack of leadership and coaching.

 

[dbair1967]

I don't know what he was saying but he was going back and forth with Dooley and it didn't look good. Very TO'ish. I'm usually defending Dez's passion but again, that didn't look good at all.

again, would need to know what he was saying...and we don't know

maybe it will come out in next few days...but I truly think he was pissed over the way they shit the bed in the 4th qtr with a nice lead

he wasn't complaining one iota when those other guys were scoring tds and was the first guy celebrating with them

 

[Sheik]

If Dallas quickly gets another decent QB in here to take the reins in a few years, Dez could easily make a strong push for the Hall.

 

[Doomsday]

Todays playing surfaces are vastly superior to the shit that was out there in the 80's and most of the 90's. The playing surfaces at Philly, NYG and Dallas were all pretty hard and not very forgiving. Philly had probably the worst artificial surface in sports. Those guys careers might have all went on another couple of good years had they not taken the pounding they did.

That's what I am saying. Today's fields are faster and easier on the limbs.

If Romo doesn't make the HOF, I'll be surprised.

Oh I think he gets in, first ballot even if the vote were held today.

 

[dbair1967]

You understand that my argument wasn't that this current group is better? I said that the biggest difference was Jimmy Johnson. Although all 3 of the HOF'ers were better I don' think that difference is as big as the lack of leadership and coaching.

Jimmy and Garrett are obviously no comparison, but I do think there's a massive difference between Aikman/Emmitt/Irvin and Romo/Murray/Bryant. Swap those two groups in their primes and I bet this team would be better than it is today, even with Garrett as HC and this sorry defense.

 

[bbgun]

It hurts that he had a late start, but so did Kurt Warner

Warner was a two-time MVP, SB Champ/MVP and took two diff teams to the SB. How many modern-era QBs are in the HOF who never got their team to the SB? Can't be that many.

edit: Moon and Fouts

 

[Sheik]

again, would need to know what he was saying...and we don't know

maybe it will come out in next few days...but I truly think he was pissed over the way they shit the bed in the 4th qtr with a nice lead

he wasn't complaining one iota when those other guys were scoring tds and was the first guy celebrating with them

It all started on that drive that Murray lost 14 yards and they didn't attempt to even try for a score on 3rd down, they just ran a draw, but yeah, that's what set him off I think.

 

[Cdgreer]

Romo not HOF. If he wins SB he might get in. Witten is in though

 

[dbair1967]

If Romo doesn't make the HOF, I'll be surprised. It's about individual performance and he's through the roof when it comes to what he's done as a passer.

It hurts that he had a late start, but so did Kurt Warner(he absolutely should get in), one thing that will help his cause is I've noticed he's started to win over the media this year. I've never seen him get the kind of love he's gotten this year.

You can put his numbers(year by year)up against pretty much anyone not named Peyton Manning.

If he doesn't win a super bowl, he aint getting in...might not get in even if he wins one

By the time it comes his chance to get in, his type of stats are going to be commonplace because its just so easy to pass the football...when a mediocre talent like a Nick Foles throws 27 tds and only 2 picks in a SEASON, that pretty much says all you need to know about how the game is played

 

[dbair1967]

It all started on that drive that Murray lost 14 yards and they didn't attempt to even try for a score on 3rd down, they just ran a draw, but yeah, that's what set him off I think.

yep...complete agreement

 

[Sheik]

Warner was a two-time MVP, SB Champ/MVP and took two diff teams to the SB. How many modern-era QBs are in the HOF who never got their team to the SB? Can't be that many.

Warner was great, love him. I think if you didn't have a guys like Manning/Rodgers playing out of this world at this point in time, I think Romo would be the next logical choice. He's playing at a level that I haven't seen him play at before, efficiency wise.