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Pardon the pun. But why is he getting a pass on all this shit that took place on Sunday?


$3 million a year (highest-paid OC), and you have Romo, Witten, Austin, Bryant, the 3-headed monster RB, and even Roy, and yet you can only come up with 7 points?
 
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I'm not giving him a pass. I'm just waiting to see more before I pass judgement.

Fact is, we were playing with 40% of our starting offensive line out, against a defense that we had no film of and nothing to prepare off of.
 
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I feel a little different about Garrett than other fans do.

I don't agree with everything he calls, but not for nothing his hands are tied with this poor offensive line.

You can only call so many plays with this type of line.

You could see it in Romo's face, that there's concern there.
 

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I'm not giving him a pass. I'm just waiting to see more before I pass judgement.

Fact is, we were playing with 40% of our starting offensive line out, against a defense that we had no film of and nothing to prepare off of.


I can understand that Midswat to a degree, but we were moving thye ball on them like a sieve even with our Oline, in spite of Barron, and yet Garrett would turn around and call some bullshit plays. That one play on 3rd and 2 with the toss to Choice, he ran right at their overloaded side and it resulted in a loss of yards. The two consecutive side passes to Bryant with the CB sitting right therte on the LOS. Most teams audible into those plays when they see the CB 10 yards back. That was about as dumb as Parcells having slow ass Keyshawn Johnson do end arounds.
 

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I feel a little different about Garrett than other fans do.

I don't agree with everything he calls, but not for nothing his hands are tied with this poor offensive line.

You can only call so many plays with this type of line.

You could see it in Romo's face, that there's concern there.



No no. With the exception of Barron, the Oline was quite good. Seriously.
 
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No no. With the exception of Barron, the Oline was quite good. Seriously.

Offensive line analysis Week 1 vs Redskins

Doug Free

Played 67 snaps. Had 4 negative plays. Allowed 2 QB pressures, 0 QB hits and 0 sacks. His first negative play came on a run that was designed to go to the right, but Witten failed to seal his man to the left, forcing Felix to go left where Free's and Holland's man made the tackle. I don't really fault Free too much on this play as he initially made a good block and Witten's failed block is what ultimately upset the play, but he could have done a better job keeping his hands on the guy and finishing the play til the whistle. His second negative play came on a bull rush from Orakpo where he got shoved backwards pretty good and basically surrendered a QB pressure. His third negative play came on a pitch to the left where he and Deon Anderson pulled to the left. Free and Deon basically targeted the same guy and kind of got in each other's way. If Free had turned upfield and allowed Deon to take the wider angle, he could have picked up the defender that ultimately made the tackle on the runner. Guess this one was a case of the right hand not knowing what the left would do, and Deon may have been just as much at fault. His 4th negative play was a QB pressure allowed, though Romo had kind of moved to the far left side of the pocket, so it was easy for Free's man to come around the edge to Free's left to get in Romo's face. If you're wondering about the false start that was called on Doug Free, it was actually Holland who false started, the ref got it wrong. Free was adequate in the running game, rarely whiffing on a block but not really dominant at the point of attack either. He got sufficient push though.


Montrae Holland

Holland played 67 snaps and had 8 negative plays. All but one of Holland's 8 negative plays came on pass plays. The one negative play that was a running play was the play mentioned above with Free where Witten's initial failed block blew the play up, but Free and Holland's defenders made the tackle because they failed to stay locked on through the whistle. 6 of 8 of his negative plays came on pass plays where he allowed pressure. His other negative play was a pass play where he false started, and the ref called the penalty on Free, but the replay clearly shows that it's Holland who starts to rock back a little early. Holland looked pretty good in the running game showing good strength and adequate balance when pulling and looking for LB's. He also had one pancake though Gurode already had hands on the guy, so it's not like he single handedly pancaked the guy.

Andre Gurode

Gurode played 67 snaps and had 2 negative plays. His first one he allowed a sack from a blitzing LB and was also called for holding on the same play, which was declined. His other one he allowed a QB pressure.

Leonard Davis
Davis played 67 snaps and had 1 negative play which was a QB pressure allowed. Very good game by Davis.

Alex Barron

Last but not least. Barron played 67 snaps and had 10 negative plays. 3 of his negative plays were holding penalties. His 2nd penalty turned what would have been a first down pass to Witten into a 3rd and 21. And of course everyone knows about the penalty on the last play of the game. 2 of Barron's 10 negative plays were on running plays. The other 8 were on passing plays. He allowed 5 pressures in addition to his 3 holding penalties. I think it should also be mentioned that Barron was penalized on the play before the Choice fumble. So had Barron not been penalized, that play likely would have never happened. Not his fault that Choice fumbled, but he did contribute to the play in a backwards sort of way. He was also pretty bad in the running game, but I didn't mark it as a negative unless he simply fell on his face or got shoved backwards pretty good. But rarely did he actually drive any defenders backwards and create any space. His "positive" plays were more stalemates where he got in the way enough that his defender didn't make a tackle.

So as you can see, the backups are backups for a reason. Both Holland and Barron did pretty bad, but at least Holland was good in the running game. This analysis means I'd really like to see the Cowboys run the ball more often should Holland and/or Barron have to play again. Hopefully Kosier and Colombo can return and play like their old selves. If they do, I think this offense can be special again, as Free, Gurode and Davis played pretty solid games against the Skins.

I also noticed in re-watching the game that alot of people were upset about the play where Marion Barber would have scored a TD but Wade Phillips had called a timeout. After watching it again, I noticed that London Fletcher stopped running when he heard the whistle, and Fletcher had the angle on Barber. Barber would have had maybe a 5 or 6 yard gain assuming Fletcher makes the tackle. So don't feel like we got cheated there, because that would NOT have been a TD.

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Sorry, LL but that doesn't look like a good performance to me.
 

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Sorry, LL but that doesn't look like a good performance to me.


I go by what I saw and I think they were decent. Not great by any stretch. But good enough to win. Not as bad as it's being howled. Yeah Holland's a backup. He's the guy that will give you decent play for a short time. You don't want him as a long term starter.

Much was made about Free all offseason, I'll take that kind of performance from him at a minimum week in and week out.
 
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I go by what I saw and I think they were decent. Not great by any stretch. But good enough to win. Not as bad as it's being howled. Yeah Holland's a backup. He's the guy that will give you decent play for a short time. You don't want him as a long term starter.

Much was made about Free all offseason, I'll take that kind of performance from him at a minimum week in and week out.

Well, hopefully we can right the ship this week, and score some points for our defense.
 

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Well, hopefully we can right the ship this week, and score some points for our defense.


We cannot go another with Barron. And as soon as Young gets better, they need to cut Barron. This guy is not going to get any better. I had high hopes for him. He's lazy. Adams was lazy but that was due to age and injury. Barron, just doesn't have any heart. Has anybody picked up Ugoh?
 
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We cannot go another with Barron. And as soon as Young gets better, they need to cut Barron. This guy is not going to get any better. I had high hopes for him. He's lazy. Adams was lazy but that was due to age and injury. Barron, just doesn't have any heart. Has anybody picked up Ugoh?

Our only option I hate to say this week is Brewster, not much to brag about.

At least he'll try though.
 

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Absolutely, I have him as a back up G for us.


As much as Jerry neglected the Oline, it can be rectified within the offseason. Colombo and Kosier will be gone after this season. They definitely need to draft no less than two Olinemen---preferrably a Center, and of course a RT. I think Sam Young might be decent for us.
 
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We cannot go another with Barron. And as soon as Young gets better, they need to cut Barron. This guy is not going to get any better. I had high hopes for him. He's lazy. Adams was lazy but that was due to age and injury. Barron, just doesn't have any heart. Has anybody picked up Ugoh?

He's hurt but I look for someone to pick him up this week.

Now that the 1st week is over, vet contracts are not guaranteed
 

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I'm not giving Garrett a "pass". I just think it's very easy to nit-pick an coordinator based on 60-70 plays. You're going to have "dog" plays and you're going to have situations where the other team has made the right call defensively. Quite often you hear the back & forth between offense and defense referred to as a "Chess Match". There's a reason for that. And there are times when you have a "Bishop" and there are times when the other team has a "Queen" and it's over for that play.

Then you have the execution thing. Quite often you don't know if it's a shatty play call or simply shatty execution that doomed the play from the get-go.

Certainly having two lineman out affected the team's ability to put receivers in position to run deeper patterns.

The fumble was as much a result of frustration within the offense of not scoring in the first half as it was being a questionable play call.
 

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I don't think JG or the rest of this coaching staff make game adjustments too well. I think with JG, he is too arrogant and just stubborn about what it is he is trying to do.

Yes, you guessed, not a big fan, and haven't been of JG's. But, they can't change now.
 
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Personally, I think Garrett is living largely off of 2007. He was phenomenal that year. I remember Antonio Pierce saying in an interview that when the 2007 Giants studied the Cowboys offense that year, they couldn't find a single tendency. But that that wasn't and hasn't been the case since.

I have a tendency to root for Garrett, because I liked him as a player and I liked the idea of our next coach being a young guy (for a coach) who would stick around for a long time. But I'm begining to question if he's got what it takes.
 

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There may be too much inner shit going on that we don't know about. Between Jerry, Stephen, Wade and Jason, who knows what is going on. I bet everyone has their own agenda and opinion what should be. I doubt Wade likes the fact that already his replacement may be sitting next to him on plane rides and in meetings. That would be a messed up deal for anyone. That's gotta play on the head. And I am sure JG is not liking the situation either. I wish he would of took the Rams job.
 

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Personally, I think Garrett is living largely off of 2007. He was phenomenal that year. I remember Antonio Pierce saying in an interview that when the 2007 Giants studied the Cowboys offense that year, they couldn't find a single tendency. But that that wasn't and hasn't been the case since.

I have a tendency to root for Garrett, because I liked him as a player and I liked the idea of our next coach being a young guy (for a coach) who would stick around for a long time. But I'm begining to question if he's got what it takes.



Maybe because it was Sparano that was actually calling the plays and not Garrett as it was assumed. Ray Lewis himself, said that Garrett's offense was the most simplistic in the league.
 

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Real easy and legit to say after a win. Would like to see Ol Ray say that if they lost.
 
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