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This one is going to get challenged in the courts for sure. But he may be doing it to fulfill a promise even though he knows he can't change this by executive order.

The courts have ruled multiple times the 14th amendment grants birthright citizenship. It doesn't matter that the authors of the amendment never intended it to have that meaning.

What would it mean if the Supreme Court ruled that there is no such thing as birthright citizenship for illegal immigrants? Would millions of children born here lose their citizenship? Would any court have the courage to make that decision?
 

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I don't get this? Before I retired our company allowed employees to work from home 3 days per week. It allowed us to reduce our real estate footprint saving lots of money. Yes, managers have to learn to manage differently and focus on production, but we found a way to make it work. The government can do the same thing and start selling off expensive real estate in Washington DC and other cities. Modern technology has made centralized workplaces obsolete.

And if you think an employee working remotely is goofing off all day, then fire him.
 

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I don't get this? Before I retired our company allowed employees to work from home 3 days per week. It allowed us to reduce our real estate footprint saving lots of money. Yes, managers have to learn to manage differently and focus on production, but we found a way to make it work. The government can do the same thing and start selling off expensive real estate in Washington DC and other cities. Modern technology has made centralized workplaces obsolete.

And if you think an employee working remotely is goofing off all day, then fire him.
I work in an industry where most people that do what I do work from home. Theres obvious advantages to it for both employee and employer.

That said, the fact is some people develop poor work habits and get extremely lazy. Not everyone can handle it and it's not as simple as "just firing them" in many states. (or with some employers, where HR policies prevent terminations without mountains of written justification)

I guess I am somewhat old school, but I actually like going to the office some (which is not possible for me today, we don't have an office here in GA) and think there should be SOME in person connection (even if limited) for just about everybody. I think Covid had a horrible impact on not just young school aged kids but also working adults too. People lost social skill and IMO a lot of productivity suffered because of it.
 

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I don't get this? Before I retired our company allowed employees to work from home 3 days per week. It allowed us to reduce our real estate footprint saving lots of money. Yes, managers have to learn to manage differently and focus on production, but we found a way to make it work. The government can do the same thing and start selling off expensive real estate in Washington DC and other cities. Modern technology has made centralized workplaces obsolete.

And if you think an employee working remotely is goofing off all day, then fire him.

I think the expectation is by merely forcing people to come back into the office, a good portion of the people will quit then hopefully after that point, they further reduce staff by some huge percentage, then like you say, let’s get rid of these buildings, save the maintenance cost, pocket the money, generate property tax and use it to pay down debt or other needed expense. After all that’s done, then I’m OK with some kind of hybrid work at home/in-office arrangement With whom ever is left as long as there’s a high performance expectation and accountability.
 

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I also think for anybody who works for the government (private too would be great) and works from home, they should be forced to immediately give some kind of employee number and name to whomever they’re speaking to and if they’re ever caught lying, receive immediate termination.

The reason I say this is because I’ve called various government agencies and I can tell I’m speaking to someone at home because I can hear a baby in the background and on a couple occasions where they didn’t know the answer to my question & tired of trying to figure out the problem, they claimed they couldn’t hear me and hung up. Then I called back, got the same person because I recognized the voice and baby in the background but she acted like she didn’t know what I was talking about and after we resumed the conversation after I explained everything again, the person hung up on me yet again it was infuriating and I could do nothing about it
 

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I also think for anybody who works for the government (private too would be great) and works from home, they should be forced to immediately give some kind of employee number and name to whomever they’re speaking to and if they’re ever caught lying, receive immediate termination.
I suspect when dealing with those folks, it's incompetence (or laziness) more often than not. Especially when it comes to government workers/services.
 
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