The never-ending POTUS Election thread....

[Creeper]

The Democrats refuse to believe conspiracy theories. From everything I’ve heard the Democrats are perfectly ok with the Donald and his lawyers bringing their evidence to court and allowing the court system to determine if there was fraud and if it was enough to overturn the election.


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Definition of "Conspiracy theory": Any allegations made against Democrats no matter how much evidence proves the merit of the allegations.

 

[dbair1967]

Yea I bet you anything your mail in ballot became a Biden vote. You should have ripped it half before handing to them.

I started too and they stopped me, then gave me that b/s explanation.

 

[MrB]

Definition of "Conspiracy theory": Any allegations made against Democrats no matter how much evidence proves the merit of the allegations.

Like I said, if the Donald has proof of widespread fraud it will be reviewed in court.


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[Scot]

Not trying to throw gas on the fire or anything here but Gateway Pundit is a far-right conspiracy theory pushing website. Honestly it’s more bias towards the right than CNN is for the left. Just saying.


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So does that make the report not true?

With your line of thinking then nothing that CNN can be considered true either because it’s left leaning right?

 

[yimyammer]

pandering to white supremacy groups and far-right militia groups like the Donald does. Just like I have said before, if you fail to see it or refuse to acknowledge it, that is unfortunate but not necessary.

I'm more than willing to acknowledge your assertion if it is in fact true, but you have been presented with multiple videos where we can all clearly see him speaking and hear the words coming out of Trumps mouth unfiltered contradicting your claims which means you're the one that refuses to acknowledge the claims of pandering are false or you are unwilling to provide evidence supporting your assertion which, if its as obvious as you claim, should be very easy to do.

Yet, you continually hand waive it off, provide nothing and accuse those asking for evidence of "refusing to see or acknowledge it".

This type of stance is what concerns me most about our current environment. Making claims & then being unwilling to support them with any kind of evidence and then crying foul when people question those assertions by simply asking for some evidence to support said claims is making truth a casualty and dividing people in the process unnecessarily.

This is consistent with a lot of people I speak to that are so worked up over Trump. When asked why, all I ever hear are unsubstantiated rhetoric or they say don't really care whether accusations against him are true because they don't like Trump, don't have time to read or do research (yet they'll quote a misleading headline). At least saying they dont like Trump is an honest answer but it concerns me folks may be drawing conclusions or having their emotions manipulated by inaccuracies or outright lies.

There are plenty of ways to justify criticism of Trump that can be easily substantiated but I guess it packs more punch to continue to claim racism irregardless of whether there is any proof of said claim.

The sad reality I see right now is too many people are letting peer pressure & emotions guide their views and actions vs logic, reasoning and sound evidence (I see these coming from both sides by the way) and I cant see this ending well for any of us.

Seems to me if we were all being really honest, we'd all be in agreement in our disgust over the way these two parties have run this country and demand new parties arise, term limits for congress (sorry I don't agree with you Dooms on this one) and a drastic reduction in the size of government/politics which are slowly permeating every aspect of American life.

 

[Dodger12]

If there is legitimate proof, it will come to light.


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The very fact that it's coming up a week after the election and we have a contested vote is a greater issue. That shouldn't happen. It must NEVER happen again. We can not have elections where there's any hint of impropriety. Elections workers and observers are signing affidavits claiming wrongdoing (see below). Whether it can be proven or not is not even the issue anymore, especially if evidence was destroyed which could be possible. Half the country will believe it and half won't because of the way we conducted the elections.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, I don't give two shits about Trump or Biden. Politicians on both sides look to enrich themselves, either with money or power. The integrity of the election is of utmost importance and it's pretty striking to me when one side tries to hinder the other to make the election process fairer (see Creeper's post).

We need fair and honest elections so good folks like you and me and others on this board can respect each other even if we're on opposite sides of the fence. Fuck me buddy, the vitriol has been ugly. People want to make a list of Trump supporters so they don't get jobs? What the fuck is going on here? You're a Democrat...I get it brother. But I know you're not a leftist. I'm a Republican (more so a conservative) but I'm not a right wing loon. Where did the balance go? If my party went full right wing loon, I wouldn't be happy about it and I'd leave the party.

Transparent elections MUST be a priority. Whether this one is proven or not, it's hurting the country and we can't have this in future elections. I'm certain you'll agree.......

Nevada Whistleblower: Workers Instructed to Process Illegitimate Ballots

A whistleblower who worked for Nevada's Clark County Elections Department listed a serious of instances of nefarious behavior.

www.breitbart.com

A whistleblower who worked for Nevada’s Clark County Elections Department listed a series of instances of nefarious behavior they witnessed in the days leading up to the election, including poll workers processing illegitimate ballots as well as non-poll workers forming a “human wall” near a Biden/Harris van to block the view of individuals purportedly filling out what the whistleblower believes to have been ballots.

 

[Scot]

DeKalb County flagged me because I asked for a mail in ballot (and received just a couple days before the election, even though I had requested 6 weeks prior). I went to vote in person and they asked me for my absentee ballot (which I did bring with me, with the intent of only using it if the lines were too long to wait). I wanted to tear up my ballot and they stopped me, and took the ballot. The explanation was THEY had to officially void it, but I never saw them stamp it or do anything to it in front of me. They simply took it.

That’s not suspicious at all

I woulda told them to fuck right off

 

[Dodger12]

I'm more than willing to acknowledge your assertion if it is in fact true, but you have been presented with multiple videos where we can all clearly see him speaking and hear the words coming out of Trumps mouth unfiltered contradicting your claims which means you're the one that refuses to acknowledge the claims of pandering are false or you are unwilling to provide evidence supporting your assertion which, if its as obvious as you claim, should be very easy to do.

Yet, you continually hand waive it off, provide nothing and accuse those asking for evidence of "refusing to see or acknowledge it".

This type of stance is what concerns me most about our current environment. Making claims & then being unwilling to support them with any kind of evidence and then crying foul when people question those assertions by simply asking for some evidence to support said claims is making truth a casualty and dividing people in the process unnecessarily.

This is consistent with a lot of people I speak to that are so worked up over Trump. When asked why, all I ever hear are unsubstantiated rhetoric or they say don't really care whether accusations against him are true because they don't like Trump, don't have time to read or do research (yet they'll quote a misleading headline). At least saying they dont like Trump is an honest answer but it concerns me folks may be drawing conclusions or having their emotions manipulated by inaccuracies or outright lies.

There are plenty of ways to justify criticism of Trump that can be easily substantiated but I guess it packs more punch to continue to claim racism irregardless of whether there is any proof of said claim.

The sad reality I see right now is too many people are letting peer pressure & emotions guide their views and actions vs logic, reasoning and sound evidence (I see these coming from both sides by the way) and I cant see this ending well for any of us.

Seems to me if we were all being really honest, we'd all be in agreement in our disgust over the way these two parties have run this country and demand new parties arise, term limits for congress (sorry I don't agree with you Dooms on this one) and a drastic reduction in the size of government/politics which are slowly permeating every aspect of American life.

Spot on. Both sides are responsible for this mess. And make no mistake about it. It's a mess. What pissed me off more than anything are the lies. The blatant fucking lies. Criticism is good and when a politician fucks up, put it out there for the people to see and vote him/her out. That's the way the system is supposed to work. But journalism is dead. Dead and fucking buried. We now have right and left win media. While we can be critical of Fox, they do offer an opposing view and have several Democrats in their line-up. It's still leans right and I'm not sure for how long but they make an effort to be balanced. Making a list of Trump supporters? I'd bury that cocksucker.

 

[Dodger12]

If there is legitimate proof, it will come to light.


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Mr. B, let me add one more thing. IF there is proof and somehow this election is overturned and Trump stays in office? What then? I cringe to even think about it. That's the issue with the election and the way they ran it under the umbrella of Covid. The fuckers tore the country apart where we will have no real winner. No matter who it is, half the country will believe he's illegitimate. It's a complete cluster fuck. Third world country shit. France banned mail in voting in 1975 and here we are in 2020. No one should be surprised. When Trump brought this up months and months ago, and even thought there may be a disputed election where we might not know the winner for months, people ridiculed him. Yet, here we are. There is no win here. The only victory is that we clean up this election mess so we don't ever have to do it again.

 

[cml750]

I started too and they stopped me, then gave me that b/s explanation.

If you do the same thing in the Senate run-off (requesting a mail ballot and then voting in person) make sure you tear it up before you ask them what to do with it.

 

[MrB]

So does that make the report not true?

With your line of thinking then nothing that CNN can be considered true either because it’s left leaning right?

Isn’t that what most Republicans think about CNN anyways? I mean it was referred to and “Clinton News Network” by many Republicans.

I would say it makes anything coming from the site you posted very questionable.


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[MrB]

I'm more than willing to acknowledge your assertion if it is in fact true, but you have been presented with multiple videos where we can all clearly see him speaking and hear the words coming out of Trumps mouth unfiltered contradicting your claims which means you're the one that refuses to acknowledge the claims of pandering are false or you are unwilling to provide evidence supporting your assertion which, if its as obvious as you claim, should be very easy to do.

Yet, you continually hand waive it off, provide nothing and accuse those asking for evidence of "refusing to see or acknowledge it".

This type of stance is what concerns me most about our current environment. Making claims & then being unwilling to support them with any kind of evidence and then crying foul when people question those assertions by simply asking for some evidence to support said claims is making truth a casualty and dividing people in the process unnecessarily.

This is consistent with a lot of people I speak to that are so worked up over Trump. When asked why, all I ever hear are unsubstantiated rhetoric or they say don't really care whether accusations against him are true because they don't like Trump, don't have time to read or do research (yet they'll quote a misleading headline). At least saying they dont like Trump is an honest answer but it concerns me folks may be drawing conclusions or having their emotions manipulated by inaccuracies or outright lies.

There are plenty of ways to justify criticism of Trump that can be easily substantiated but I guess it packs more punch to continue to claim racism irregardless of whether there is any proof of said claim.

The sad reality I see right now is too many people are letting peer pressure & emotions guide their views and actions vs logic, reasoning and sound evidence (I see these coming from both sides by the way) and I cant see this ending well for any of us.

Seems to me if we were all being really honest, we'd all be in agreement in our disgust over the way these two parties have run this country and demand new parties arise, term limits for congress (sorry I don't agree with you Dooms on this one) and a drastic reduction in the size of government/politics which are slowly permeating every aspect of American life.

Those videos you speak of are also mixed with other instances (before AND after he “denounced” them) where he’s still pandering. Things like doing the “kkk hand gesture” or the stand back and stand by comment. Just because you refuse to acknowledge it doesn’t mean he’s not doing it. Enough people have already seen it and they have spoken.


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[MrB]

The very fact that it's coming up a week after the election and we have a contested vote is a greater issue. That shouldn't happen. It must NEVER happen again. We can not have elections where there's any hint of impropriety. Elections workers and observers are signing affidavits claiming wrongdoing (see below). Whether it can be proven or not is not even the issue anymore, especially if evidence was destroyed which could be possible. Half the country will believe it and half won't because of the way we conducted the elections.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, I don't give two shits about Trump or Biden. Politicians on both sides look to enrich themselves, either with money or power. The integrity of the election is of utmost importance and it's pretty striking to me when one side tries to hinder the other to make the election process fairer (see Creeper's post).

We need fair and honest elections so good folks like you and me and others on this board can respect each other even if we're on opposite sides of the fence. Fuck me buddy, the vitriol has been ugly. People want to make a list of Trump supporters so they don't get jobs? What the fuck is going on here? You're a Democrat...I get it brother. But I know you're not a leftist. I'm a Republican (more so a conservative) but I'm not a right wing loon. Where did the balance go? If my party went full right wing loon, I wouldn't be happy about it and I'd leave the party.

Transparent elections MUST be a priority. Whether this one is proven or not, it's hurting the country and we can't have this in future elections. I'm certain you'll agree.......

Nevada Whistleblower: Workers Instructed to Process Illegitimate Ballots

A whistleblower who worked for Nevada's Clark County Elections Department listed a serious of instances of nefarious behavior.

www.breitbart.com

A whistleblower who worked for Nevada’s Clark County Elections Department listed a series of instances of nefarious behavior they witnessed in the days leading up to the election, including poll workers processing illegitimate ballots as well as non-poll workers forming a “human wall” near a Biden/Harris van to block the view of individuals purportedly filling out what the whistleblower believes to have been ballots.

I agree 100%. We do need fair elections. Just like there will always be racism there will also always be some type of fraud (on both sides). That’s why we have to rely on the courts to settle this. It sucks that it has to come to that and I hope that anyone found guilty of committing other fraud gets found out and thrown in prison. I don’t care what side they’re on.

All we have right now though is the court system to figure all this out. The amount of fraud Trump and his lawyers are alleging though is on a pretty grand scale. There would have to have been a lot of people involved and like I said the other day, if that did actually happen there is no way that 100% of the people involved completely covered their tracks. So if that’s the case and there was fraud on that scale then they will be found out. The burden of proof is on Trump so we will see what he has, if he has anything.


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[Scot]

People who think the dems "gun control" initiatives are about "saving lives" are some of the dumbest fuckers ever.

There is only one reason the extreme left wants gun control, and it has NOTHING to do with "gun violence" or "school shootings"

Harris vowed to ban assault weapons within the first 100 days after taking office

 

[yimyammer]

Those videos you speak of are also mixed with other instances (before AND after he “denounced” them) where he’s still pandering. Things like doing the “kkk hand gesture” or the stand back and stand by comment. Just because you refuse to acknowledge it doesn’t mean he’s not doing it. Enough people have already seen it and they have spoken.


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Sadly right on Q, show me specific evidence supporting what you want me to acknowledge and perhaps I will

Simply because you say its so, doesnt make it true.

You may be the greatest and most enlightened guy in the world but from where I sit, you're merely one of the millions of strangers parading around the internet making claims they cant back up so I'll treat your claims like any other, regardless of party affiliation, who wont back them up with anything more than conjecture and not give them credibility

 

[Scot]

You will not find voter fraud if you do not look for it. That is a fact. Democrats have resisted any attempts to look for voter fraud. If you recall the 2017 Voter Fraud Commission Trump put together, every Dem state refused to provide the task force with voter information so the commission could compare it to death records and other government data. There response was, "there is no voter fraud", but they could not substantiate how they knew this? There has never been any attempt in the US to look for widespread voter fraud. Nor has there been any attempt to prevent it. We are the only country in the industrialized world that does not make an effort to ensure election integrity through proactive measures. Today, our elections are less secure than almost any election in the world. We could all get in a stadium and raise our hands for the candidate of our choice and it would be more secure than what we do today.

We could build into the process the ability to cross reference voters with state voter rolls to ensure no one is registered to vote in two states. It is not hard to do from a technology standpoint, and the government already has all the data they need to do it at the IRS. If you file a tax return with an address in Florida, then you can only vote in Florida since you declared your primary address there. We could cross reference death records to voting records as well. Again, the government has all the data they need to do this. The same is true with legal status. So why don't we? Because the law prevents us from doing it and every attempt to change the law to allow it Democrats scream voter suppression! It is absurd. Removing ineligible voters from voter rolls automatically is not vote suppression, it's voter integrity and it should be done. In the meantime Democrat states rarely clean up their registration data. California actually fought a lawsuit to compel them to remove 1.5 million ineligible LA county voters from their rolls. They lost and were ordered by a court to do it, but why would you fight that? If you cared about election integrity this would be done without having to get a court to force you to do it. California is not alone.

You ask why?

Because dead people don’t vote Republican. No reason to fix something that helps your cause.

 

[MrB]

Mr. B, let me add one more thing. IF there is proof and somehow this election is overturned and Trump stays in office? What then? I cringe to even think about it. That's the issue with the election and the way they ran it under the umbrella of Covid. The fuckers tore the country apart where we will have no real winner. No matter who it is, half the country will believe he's illegitimate. It's a complete cluster fuck. Third world country shit. France banned mail in voting in 1975 and here we are in 2020. No one should be surprised. When Trump brought this up months and months ago, and even thought there may be a disputed election where we might not know the winner for months, people ridiculed him. Yet, here we are. There is no win here. The only victory is that we clean up this election mess so we don't ever have to do it again.

I really don’t think anyone is surprised to be honest. We knew Trump did not want to allow mail in votes. Maybe he knew he would lose and that’s why he didn’t want to allow them? And regardless of the conspiracy theories Covid is a real thing. It sucks that it happened during an election year but how else are people that are high risk supposed to vote? They’re Americans and they still have the right to vote. They shouldn’t have to risk their lives in order to cast their vote.

Now the way some states handled this is what has caused all the scrutiny. If all states had handled it the exact same way (the way Texas handled it) by counting the mail in votes as they were coming in we wouldn’t have seen what we saw in Michigan. There wouldn’t have been a huge swing like we saw. Likely Biden would have already been in the lead before they before they had closed for the day.

Maybe what Trump should have done, instead of trying to deny mail in votes is put a system in place where every state counted the ballots as they were coming in.


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[MrB]

Sadly right on Q, show me specific evidence supporting what you want me to acknowledge and perhaps I will

Simply because you say its so, doesnt make it true.

You may be the greatest and most enlightened guy in the world but from where I sit, you're merely one of the millions of strangers parading around the internet making claims they cant back up so I'll treat your claims like any other, regardless of party affiliation, who wont back them up with anything more than conjecture and not give them credibility

Well I’m sorry you feel that way about me. Personally I still think you’re pretty cool regardless of your political beliefs.

As for showing you specifics, I don’t need to. Enough people have seen it and those people voted. I could show you a million videos and it’s clear it wouldn’t change your mind. You would still refuse to believe. It’s unfortunate but that is you’re right.


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[yimyammer]

Well I’m sorry you feel that way about me. Personally I still think you’re pretty cool regardless of your political beliefs.

As for showing you specifics, I don’t need to. Enough people have seen it and those people voted. I could show you a million videos and it’s clear it wouldn’t change your mind. You would still refuse to believe. It’s unfortunate but that is you’re right.


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Come on amigo, I didn't say anything bad about you nor am I attacking you, I don't know you or anything about you. When I say stranger on the internet, that applies to everyone here including how you should feel about me. For all you know, I could be a Russian bot so you should question any claims I make and demand evidence as well and I wouldn't find offense if and when you ask that of me.

Further, I'm not married to any position for or against Trump, I want the truth regardless of where it takes me.

That's why I keep asking you about your claims that Trump is a racist because you're so certain of it. I'm excited to find out if you can enlighten me to what I'm missing but for whatever reason, you cant or wont and I really don't understand why if its as obvious as you claim.

I think if you read my posts you'll see I have a consistent skeptical stance and seek to let evidence and truth be my guide filtered through what I hope is a reasonable capability to intelligently interpret and comprehend what I am reading or watching.

If there's a million videos out there, why wont you post one or two here and tell us what it is you see in them that makes you feel he is a racist? How you see the world makes a difference and I'd truly like to understand what you see that I currently dont.

I think our experiences in this life can cause us to interpret things in ways that may not be true or perhaps obstruct from seeing things as they are. Perhaps the life I've lived has created a blindspot to seeing Trump as a racist but perhaps the same could be said of you in reverse.

That's why I want all of us to rely on sound evidence and let it take us wherever its supposed to, regardless of how we may feel about it.

Do you really believe this is out of line or offensive?

I sure hope not

 

[MrB]

Come on amigo, I didn't say anything bad about you nor am I attacking you, I don't know you or anything about you. When I say stranger on the internet, that applies to everyone here including how you should feel about me. For all you know, I could be a Russian bot so you should question any claims I make and demand evidence as well and I wouldn't find offense if and when you ask that of me.

Further, I'm not married to any position for or against Trump, I want the truth regardless of where it takes me.

That's why I keep asking you about your claims that Trump is a racist because you're so certain of it. I'm excited to find out if you can enlighten me to what I'm missing but for whatever reason, you cant or wont and I really don't understand why if its as obvious as you claim.

I think if you read my posts you'll see I have a consistent skeptical stance and seek to let evidence and truth be my guide filtered through what I hope is a reasonable capability to intelligently interpret and comprehend what I am reading or watching.

If there's a million videos out there, why wont you post one or two here and tell what it is you see in them that makes you feel he is a racists? How you see the world makes a difference and I'd truly like to understand what you see that I currently dont.

I think our experience in this life can cause us to interpret things in ways that may not be true or perhaps obstruct from seeing things as they are. Perhaps the life I've lived has created a blindspot to seeing Trump as a racist but perhaps the same could be said of you in reverse.

That's why I want all of us to rely on sound evidence and let it take us wherever its supposed to, regardless of how we may feel about it.

Do you really believe this is out of line or offensive?

I sure hope not

No, it’s not out of line. You should question the results of this election, and really anything else in life that doesn’t sit well with you.

As for calling Trump a racist, based on my experience in life and dealing with racist situations and people in general it’s hard for me not to call him a racist. The number 1 million was an exaggeration it there are videos out there of him pandering to racists and alt-right groups. As for the videos themselves there numerous videos on YouTube. Obviously none of them were put out by outlets that support Trump but if you just type in Trump racist remarks they’re there. My suggestion is if you don’t want to see the commentary you can skip through those parts and just look at the actual videos and remarks of Trump.


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