Roy Williams could be victim of salary cap

[Midswat]

Here’s yet another reason why Nnamdi Asomugha is a long shot to join the Cowboys: It would be difficult to fit him under a proposed salary cap.

A salary cap will be part of the new CBA, with estimates that the cap will be around $120 million. Most teams will be well under the cap, but there are teams that could be over or tight to the cap depending on how the new CBA handles “dead money” and other issues.

ESPN.com recently estimated the Cowboys are at least $18.9 million over a cap of $120 million. That number could be massaged, but some high priced talent may have to go for Dallas to make necessary moves this offseason.

Calvin Watkins of ESPNDallas.com smartly figures that wide receiver Roy Williams could be one of the first people to go, with Kevin Ogletree stepping into the third receiver role. Williams is due $9.5 million. Cornerback Terence Newman and tackle Marc Colombo are other options to go.

We haven’t heard the term “cap casualty” in a while, but it’s time to start thinking about the implications of the cap once again. We need to learn the fine print of the CBA, but teams like the Cowboys, Jets, and Raiders are among those that may have to make hard decisions based on their high current payroll.

Frankly, cutting Williams shouldn’t be that tough a decision anyhow.

 

[Midswat]

From AdamJT13:

Roy's base salary this year is $5,109,971. If the cap rules remain the same (ie., the June 2 rule), the cap room we would save this year by cutting him would be $5,109,971 minus the cap cost of whichever player makes the team instead.

We would have $8.75 million in dead money next year, but that is $2.427 million less than his current 2012 cap number.

By the way, PFT is wrong. Roy is not "due" $9.5 million this year. He is due $5,109,971. The other $4.375 million in his cap number is from his prorated bonuses that were already paid.

 

[Midswat]

I want Roy gone. I don't have much confidence in Ogletree, and while I think Dwayne Harris will be an excellent slot receiver down the line, I think we can off set the loss of Roy with more two TE sets, or by being more creative with Felix and Murray.

I've wanted to see Felix move to the slot pre-snap for years, but it never happens.

 

[Cythim]

Roy Williams is expendable and it will not cost us $13 million against the cap to drop him as has been reported by the media all off-season. He costs too much to be a #3 and an insurance policy for Dez. I'd like to keep him around but the price is too high. Cut him as soon as the deal is done.

 

[RoyTheHammer]

As soon as someone can accurately tell me what his cap hit would be and what (if anything) we would save over the remainder of the deal by cutting him now, and back it up with factual information.. then i'll decide on this poll. If we arn't going to save anything, then obviously it makes no sense to cut him. If we'd only save 5 million but take a hit next season, then i still don't think we should cut him, unless we are planning on signing a quality FA WR.

 

[Midswat]

As soon as someone can accurately tell me what his cap hit would be and what (if anything) we would save over the remainder of the deal by cutting him now, and back it up with factual information.. then i'll decide on this poll. If we arn't going to save anything, then obviously it makes no sense to cut him. If we'd only save 5 million but take a hit next season, then i still don't think we should cut him, unless we are planning on signing a quality FA WR.

Do you think with have two stud receivers on the roster already, and the depth we have at TE & RB, that we really need to sign another "quality FA" receiver?

I think we'd be okay with Harris, & Ogletree.

 

[LAZARUS_LOGAN]

Here’s yet another reason why Nnamdi Asomugha is a long shot to join the Cowboys: It would be difficult to fit him under a proposed salary cap.

A salary cap will be part of the new CBA, with estimates that the cap will be around $120 million. Most teams will be well under the cap, but there are teams that could be over or tight to the cap depending on how the new CBA handles “dead money” and other issues.

ESPN.com recently estimated the Cowboys are at least $18.9 million over a cap of $120 million. That number could be massaged, but some high priced talent may have to go for Dallas to make necessary moves this offseason.

Calvin Watkins of ESPNDallas.com smartly figures that wide receiver Roy Williams could be one of the first people to go, with Kevin Ogletree stepping into the third receiver role. Williams is due $9.5 million. Cornerback Terence Newman and tackle Marc Colombo are other options to go.

We haven’t heard the term “cap casualty” in a while, but it’s time to start thinking about the implications of the cap once again. We need to learn the fine print of the CBA, but teams like the Cowboys, Jets, and Raiders are among those that may have to make hard decisions based on their high current payroll.

Frankly, cutting Williams shouldn’t be that tough a decision anyhow.

If we were going after Nnamdi, then I guess this would mean Newman being cut. Personally, I wouldn't be against cutting Newman, but no to Nnamdi. I'd rather they bring in Eric Wright, and then have an open competition at both CB spots.

 

[RoyTheHammer]

Do you think with have two stud receivers on the roster already, and the depth we have at TE & RB, that we really need to sign another "quality FA" receiver?

I think we'd be okay with Harris, & Ogletree.

I think Ogletree is a bust that will struggle to even make the team this year (next year? whenever the next season is..)

Harris could develop, but he's an unproven commodity right now. What happens if Dez/Miles goes down? We're down to one good receiver and nothing else on the depth chart. Can't have that, imo. Not if you want to be contenders.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Kevin Ogletree is pretty much a poor man's Roy Williams. Talented, but a lazy, unreliable player. Just do what Midswat is proposing, rely on the 2-TE set to take up the slack of not having a reliable Patrick Crayton as a #3 and split some of the remaining receptions with Murray and Felix. Garrett is creative enough, hell, that's part of the reason why he came to Dallas in the 1st place.

 

[Midswat]

I think Ogletree is a bust that will struggle to even make the team this year (next year? whenever the next season is..)

Hard to call an UDFA a bust, but I get your jist. I question he will ever live up to the potential he flashed at the end of 2009. He seems to already think he's made it in this league.

What happens if Dez/Miles goes down? We're down to one good receiver and nothing else on the depth chart. Can't have that, imo. Not if you want to be contenders.

You could say that about any team though. And most teams only have one legit #1 receiver. We have two.

 

[RoyTheHammer]

Hard to call an UDFA a bust, but I get your jist. I question he will ever live up to the potential he flashed at the end of 2009. He seems to already think he's made it in this league.


You could say that about any team though. And most teams only have one legit #1 receiver. We have two.

I guess.. i just don't know that i'd be comfortable in trying to contend with our top 3 WR's being Austin, Ogletree, and Hurd/Holley/Harris.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Ogletree isn't a bust, but he's terribly overrated by the fans. Players of his ilk have come and gone through Dallas before. He's a darker Danny Amendola is all.

 

[RoyTheHammer]

Ogletree isn't a bust, but he's terribly overrated by the fans. Players of his ilk have come and gone through Dallas before. He's a darker Danny Amendola is all.

Its hard to label him anything without consistent playing time to find out what he can do. Im just not sure i'd want to be in a playoff race trying to find out what he can do. I have a feeling he'd be very inconsistent.

 

[Midswat]

Its hard to label him anything without consistent playing time to find out what he can do. Im just not sure i'd want to be in a playoff race trying to find out what he can do. I have a feeling he'd be very inconsistent.

You think Ogletree would be inconsistant?

Sorta like Roy has been for the past three years?

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Its hard to label him anything without consistent playing time to find out what he can do. Im just not sure i'd want to be in a playoff race trying to find out what he can do. I have a feeling he'd be very inconsistent.

Besides his hands and some body control, nothing really stands out about him. Despite his 4.39 40 at the Combine, he's still more quick than fast on the football field. He's more of a gadget player than an actual receiver at this point and his skills just don't guarantee him being much more than that. He looks like a good #4 to me, but then again, he isn't very good on special teams either to warrant that role.

I guarantee that in a year or 2, he'll be a journeyman WR in this league, bouncing from team to team and eventually out of the league entirely in 4.

 

[Jon88]

Why did we bring this fucktard on board to begin with? Jerry and his stupid trades. Moron.

 

[theogt]

Its hard to label him anything without consistent playing time to find out what he can do. Im just not sure i'd want to be in a playoff race trying to find out what he can do. I have a feeling he'd be very inconsistent.

What pisses me off about Ogletree is that he's got talent, he's got ability, he can be a good receiver. But he's friggin' lazy and unmotivated. For a guy like him that went undrafted, you'd think he'd be the hardest working guy on the field. If he were, I think he'd do alright and be at least as productive as a Santonio Holmes.

 

[RoyTheHammer]

You think Ogletree would be inconsistant?

Sorta like Roy has been for the past three years?

Roy is a good red zone target and was playing just fine before Tony went down. I think he's a much better receiver for us than Ogle would be. At the very least he's a veteran guy who knows what it takes to win and will do the little things to help the team succeed.

 

[RoyTheHammer]

What pisses me off about Ogletree is that he's got talent, he's got ability, he can be a good receiver. But he's friggin' lazy and unmotivated. For a guy like him that went undrafted, you'd think he'd be the hardest working guy on the field. If he were, I think he'd do alright and be at least as productive as a Santonio Holmes.

Completely agree.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

What pisses me off about Ogletree is that he's got talent, he's got ability, he can be a good receiver. But he's friggin' lazy and unmotivated. For a guy like him that went undrafted, you'd think he'd be the hardest working guy on the field. If he were, I think he'd do alright and be at least as productive as a Santonio Holmes.

I doubt it. Maybe if he became a #1 WR by default for a team that had nothing to lose by slinging the ball all over the field.