Raiders to cut LB Wimbley if new deal isn’t reached

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By Jason La Canfora |

The Raiders will cut linebacker Kamerion Wimbley if he does not restructure his deal, a team source said Thursday.

Wimbley is due to make $11 million this season, with $6.5 million guaranteed, and Oakland is trying to restructure its budget and get under the salary cap.

Wimbley also has triggers in his deal that execute $19 million in future guarantees if he’s not released before the start of the league year. The Raiders value Wimbley and he is one of few pass rushing options they have, but the team also has lots of money tied up in its front seven and is in a cap crunch.

The Raiders recently released corner Stanford Routt recently to avoid a $5 million roster bonus, however, they then also had to give him $5 million in guarantees they still owed. If the Raiders can’t find common ground with Wimbley on a new deal then they face a similar situation with the linebacker.

 

[Theebs]

very interesting.

he would be a very good role player here if something were to happen.

and again I like the idea of veterans on defense especially as role players who can help right away and allow us to take the best players available in the draft......

keep building with good young players.

 

[dbair1967]

Much better pass rusher than Spencer. He's be a good add if he's available.

 

[NoDak]

Much better pass rusher than Spencer. He's be a good add if he's available.

He had 11 sacks his rookie year, then fell to "Spencerish" numbers. He had 6.5 sacks in his one year with Rob Ryan in Cleveland. And 10 career TFL, with 8 of them in his rookie year, and the other 2 in his 2nd year.

I'd consider him if he was cheaper than Spencer, but certainly wouldn't look at him as some huge upgrade.

 

[Midswat]

He had 11 sacks his rookie year, then fell to "Spencerish" numbers. He had 6.5 sacks in his one year with Rob Ryan in Cleveland. And 10 career TFL, with 8 of them in his rookie year, and the other 2 in his 2nd year.

I'd consider him if he was cheaper than Spencer, but certainly wouldn't look at him as some huge upgrade.

My sentiments exactly. He's an option if Spencer is unreasonable.

 

[dbair1967]

He had 11 sacks his rookie year, then fell to "Spencerish" numbers. He had 6.5 sacks in his one year with Rob Ryan in Cleveland. And 10 career TFL, with 8 of them in his rookie year, and the other 2 in his 2nd year.

I'd consider him if he was cheaper than Spencer, but certainly wouldn't look at him as some huge upgrade.

He has alot more TFL's than that, the info I have says 25, incl 7 last yr.

He had 9 sacks in 2010 and 7 last year.

 

[NoDak]

He has alot more TFL's than that, the info I have says 25, incl 7 last yr.

He had 9 sacks in 2010 and 7 last year.

yay?

 

[Midswat]

He has alot more TFL's than that, the info I have says 25, incl 7 last yr.

He had 9 sacks in 2010 and 7 last year.

Does he spend as much time dropping back into coverage as Spencer (<25% of snaps)

 

[marionbarberthe4th]

Is he not Spencer? Then I'm in

 

[LAZARUS_LOGAN]

Does he spend as much time dropping back into coverage as Spencer (<25% of snaps)

So that's why Spencer only has 6 sacks?

 

[Midswat]

So that's why Spencer only has 6 sacks?

That, plus not having a DT that can collapse the pocket.

Yes, those are contributing factors.


Would Spencer ever be a 15 sack a year guy? Probably not. But if he was allowed to attack the QB consistantly, I think he could be a 9-12 sack a year guy.

 

[Hoofbite]

He had 11 sacks his rookie year, then fell to "Spencerish" numbers. He had 6.5 sacks in his one year with Rob Ryan in Cleveland. And 10 career TFL, with 8 of them in his rookie year, and the other 2 in his 2nd year.

I'd consider him if he was cheaper than Spencer, but certainly wouldn't look at him as some huge upgrade.

Yeah but that only tells half the story.

He's played six seasons and has never had a teammate get more than 7.5 sacks.

If you add up the highest sack total for a teammate of his over the course of his career it only equals 33 sacks or 5.5 per season.

Spencer has played every year of his career with the best pass rusher in the NFL.

In Spencer's time as a Cowboy, Ware has racked up 80 sacks or 16 per season.

Teams haven't had to worry about the guy from opposite Wimbley so they can double him more often if they choose to.

Doubtful many teams choose to double Spencer and let Ware get 1-on-1 matchups.

I'm not saying Wimbley is doubled because I don't know. I'm just saying they have never had to respect someone on the opposite side of him.

 

[LAZARUS_LOGAN]

That, plus not having a DT that can collapse the pocket.

Yes, those are contributing factors.


Would Spencer ever be a 15 sack a year guy? Probably not. But if he was allowed to attack the QB consistantly, I think he could be a 9-12 sack a year guy.

Bullshit. Ware is taking up double-teams and sometimes triple-teams. Spencer isn't dropping back into coverage as much as youa re claiming. So how was Greg Ellis able to net double-digit sacks?

 

[LAZARUS_LOGAN]

Yeah but that only tells half the story.

He's played six seasons and has never had a teammate get more than 7.5 sacks.

If you add up the highest sack total for a teammate of his over the course of his career it only equals 33 sacks or 5.5 per season.

Spencer has played every year of his career with the best pass rusher in the NFL.

In Spencer's time as a Cowboy, Ware has racked up 80 sacks or 16 per season.

Teams haven't had to worry about the guy from opposite Wimbley so they can double him more often if they choose to.

Doubtful many teams choose to double Spencer and let Ware get 1-on-1 matchups.

I'm not saying Wimbley is doubled because I don't know. I'm just saying they have never had to respect someone on the opposite side of him.

Thank you.

 

[Midswat]

Bullshit. Ware is taking up double-teams and sometimes triple-teams. Spencer isn't dropping back into coverage as much as youa re claiming. So how was Greg Ellis able to net double-digit sacks?

Greg Ellis got double-digit sacks one year during his career. 2007.

 

[LAZARUS_LOGAN]

Greg Ellis got double-digit sacks one year during his career. 2007.

And the one year while playing opposite of Ware, in the twilight of his career. Other than that, he was an 8 sack a year guy---2 more than Spencer.

 

[Hoofbite]

That, plus not having a DT that can collapse the pocket.

Yes, those are contributing factors.


Would Spencer ever be a 15 sack a year guy? Probably not. But if he was allowed to attack the QB consistantly, I think he could be a 9-12 sack a year guy.

Spencer rushes the passer A LOT.

I think he had like 403 last year.......or a percentage close to like 71% of the passing downs.

I think Ware was at like 85% of the passing downs.

I looked at both of their pass rushing productivity from Spencers side. Ware actually got 8 sacks from that side on like 120 rushes.

Of course, this is under the assumption that teams wouldn't change their protection with Ware on that side full time but I think it's a good illustration to compare the two by.

If Ware had rushed from that side only, he'd have 30 sacks on 450 rushes.

Spencer notched possibly 4 (their missing a sack from his stats) from the left side on 293 rushes. A sack every 73 rushes. Nearly 5 times as many rushes as it takes Ware to get one on that side.

The simple fact is, Spencer just isn't a very big rush threat. If he rushed every passing down he was on the field last year he only gets 2 more sacks on the season at his average.

 

[dbair1967]

Greg Ellis got double-digit sacks one year during his career. 2007.

Greg Ellis was a far better player than Spencer was too.