Decoding Jason Garrett's offense

[Cr122]

http://cowboysblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2010/09/bob-sturm-decoding-jason-garre.html

 

[LAZARUS_LOGAN]

Damn! This is where we will really miss John Phillips. Especially with those 2-packages which appear to be red zone. But even the 13 package in the red zone: Any of the RBs, then the 3 TEs with Witten, Bennett, Phillips, and despite how much I hate Roy, he is a decent red zone target.

 

[Cr122]

Damn! This is where we will really miss John Phillips. Especially with those 2-packages which appear to be red zone. But even the 13 package in the red zone: Any of the RBs, then the 3 TEs with Witten, Bennett, Phillips, and despite how much I hate Roy, he is a decent red zone target.

Yeah, now we will have to scrap those packages with the three tight ends or add Gronkowski in with the package.

 

[LAZARUS_LOGAN]

"The reason we have to keep track of this is simple to me. If conventional wisdom is that the Cowboys are a good "shotgun" team with "11" personnel (last year it was generally Choice, Witten, Crayton, Williams, and Austin), then we have to ask the question why they were more effective passing the ball in "12" personnel in yards per play and passer rating. Romo threw the bulk of his interceptions when they went to the "S11" package and did not get the results to make it worth the while."

Theren lies the problem and at least half of it is solved. This is not to slam Crayton, I like Crayton, but that package with him and Williams on the field at the same time... both are too slow, but at least one of them (Crayton) is able to run routes, has good hands, and could get a modicum of separation. With Dez in the mix and if he is as advertised, then the S11 package should have more success than previously. In truth, I think the package would be even more enhanced if it were Choice, Witten, Crayton, Bryant, and Austin, instead.

 

[LAZARUS_LOGAN]

Yeah, now we will have to scrap those packages with the three tight ends or add Gronkowski in with the package.

Well, it'd still work with Gronkowski, because he would be playing the F-Back role as Phillips would have. Natural;ly, it'd be more effective with Phillips.

 

[LAZARUS_LOGAN]

I'm looking at the S11 package photo and the have Austin out wide, Crayton in the slot, and Witten in tight, with Williams isolated on the other side. It'll be interesting now because Austin will be in the slot, with Dez out wide and Witten the same place. What I'm wondering is that will it be Dez isolated on the other side or will it be Williams? If WIlliams is isolated, then he SHOULD ---that's the operative word, be able take advantage, because of the overload on the other side and thus the coverage will lean towards there. I recall seeing this play in 2007 against the Giants, when it was T.O. in the slot, Cryaton out wide, and Witten in tight, and they overloaded that side. Hurd was isolated on the other side and scored a TD.

http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2007090911/2007/REG1/giants@cowboys#tab:watch

at the 4:42 mark.

They should have either Hurd or better yet Ogletree in that package. But certainly not Roy.

 

[Cr122]

I'm looking at the S11 package photo and the have Austin out wide, Crayton in the slot, and Witten in tight, with Williams isolated on the other side. It'll be interesting now because Austin will be in the slot, with Dez out wide and Witten the same place. What I'm wondering is that will it be Dez isolated on the other side or will it be Williams? If WIlliams is isolated, then he SHOULD ---that's the operative word, be able take advantage, because of the overload on the other side and thus the coverage will lean towards there. I recall seeing this play in 2007 against the Giants, when it was T.O. in the slot, Cryaton out wide, and Witten in tight, and they overloaded that side. Hurd was isolated on the other side and scored a TD.

http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2007090911/2007/REG1/giants@cowboys#tab:watch

at the 4:42 mark.

They should have either Hurd or better yet Ogletree in that package. But certainly not Roy.

That's interesting.

 

[LAZARUS_LOGAN]

That's interesting.

Well take this quote from the link of this OP.

If conventional wisdom is that the Cowboys are a good "shotgun" team with "11" personnel (last year it was generally Choice, Witten, Crayton, Williams, and Austin), then we have to ask the question why they were more effective passing the ball in "12" personnel in yards per play and passer rating. Romo threw the bulk of his interceptions when they went to the "S11" package and did not get the results to make it worth the while.

How much would anybody wager that the bulk of those INTs in that package resulted from Romo targeting Roy? It makes no sense. That package should be killing teams!

 

[sbk92]

Wait. So Romo threw more INTs in shotgun? Is that the revelation here?

Uh, wouldn't most QBs throw most of their INTs when in 3rd and longs and in shotgun formation?

 

[LAZARUS_LOGAN]

Wait. So Romo threw more INTs in shotgun? Is that the revelation here?

Uh, wouldn't most QBs throw most of their INTs when in 3rd and longs and in shotgun formation?

I don't know. Do you have any numbers to support this?

 

[sbk92]

I don't know. Do you have any numbers to support this?

I have common sense. You can borrow some.

It doesn't take a genius to figure out that QBs are more likely to throw more picks in shotgun than under center. It's a passing set. Usually on long down and distance. So you're throwing more and throwing into defenses with extra defenders on the field.

Why the F I have to state the obvious to you is beyond me. If you had a lick of sense you'd shut the piehole and take notes when I post.

 

[LAZARUS_LOGAN]

I have common sense. You can borrow some.

Oh well that settles it. No thank you. There is nothing common about me, anyway. And your "common sense" wouldn't fill a thimble.

It doesn't take a genius to figure out that QBs are more likely to throw more picks in shotgun than under center.

Then it also shouldn't take a genius to provide some numbers to support this.

It's a passing set. Usually on long down and distance. So you're throwing more and throwing into defenses with extra defenders on the field.

Really? The Cowboys and alot of teams go shotgun in the red zone or even 5 yards of the goalline. Of course it's a passing set, much like the 3-step drop back and the 5-step drop back. So a QB in a 3-step drop back is throwing less than a QB in shotgun? And you want to loan me your common sense? Extra defenders on the field...? There can only be 11 defenders on the field at a time.

Why the F I have to state the obvious to you is beyond me. If you had a lick of sense you'd shut the piehole and take notes when I post.

!!!! Why take notes when you are typing? That's common sense right there.

 

[sbk92]

Really? The Cowboys and alot of teams go shotgun in the red zone or even 5 yards of the goalline. Of course it's a passing set, much like the 3-step drop back and the 5-step drop back. So a QB in a 3-step drop back is throwing less than a QB in shotgun? And you want to loan me your common sense? Extra defenders on the field...? There can only be 11 defenders on the field at a time.

Extra guys in coverage, you flitboy.

Who the hell is honestly enlightened by this?