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Fuck these coaches and fuck this team. :paper

I didnt post after the game because I was so mad, and today I'm still as mad as I was last night. This is the most frustrating team to watch year after year, and yesterdays was an all timer type bad. We blew a golden opportunity by losing this game, as we were set up perfectly for a really special night next week vs NYG on Sunday night to clinch the East. :paper

1) I dont know how anyone who graduates from a school like Princeton, grows up in a football family and then actually plays in the league himself for a decade or so before then becoming a coach for a number of years can be so painfully fucking stupid when it comes to clock management and when (and when not) to use freaking timeouts. Why not call the FREAKING TIMEOUT AS SOON AS BRYANTS CATCH IS OVER????? WHY WHY WHY? Fuck you Garrett and fuck you Romo. Dumbest fucking idea ever. Hey we've got 25 seconds or whatever it was left, and we're on the fringe of FG range. We've already seen our FG miss badly on one long one and get lucky on another. WE HAD TWO FUCKING TIMEOUTS LEFT. Why waste forever in trying to spike the ball? Why play for a 48/49 yd FG when you have PLENTY OF TIME LEFT??? Even if your worried about a sack you could call at least 1 or 2 safe plays. Call a screen or quick sideline throw to a WR or TE. Hell you could even run the ball, you still had another timeout!!!!!!!!!! I've watched this team since 1975, and this was probably the single most boneheaded thing I have ever seen a coach do here. :paper

2) Hey Garrett you stupid ass, dont NOT call timeout after the catch, then turn around and ice your own damn kicker right before he kicks it. I must admit I fully expected Whisenhunt to do this, but your excuse for why you called it yourself doesnt hold water when the holder and kicker both say they had plenty of time left on the play clock. Again if you are worried about getting set up, YOU HAD TWO FUCKING TIMEOUTS, call one after the freaking catch by Bryant instead of watching your stupid shit QB waste almost 20 seconds trying to spike the ball. This said, it should also be noted that it appears his special teams coach is the one who pushed for the timeout to be called (see below. I still ahve a much bigger problem with #1 above than this. :paper

3) Offense was terrible the entire game. I didnt expect us to hang 40 on them, but 13 freaking points is all you can get? With no turnovers? I rarely complain about playcalling, but when the other team is throwing every blitz they can think of at you, wouldnt calling some screens or quicker passes be smart? I get that their secondary stinks and you want to be aggressive in attacking them downfield, but when they constantly rush 6-7-8 guys and you cant block it (nor can the QB read it) then change up what you are doing some. Murray wasnt targeted for a single pass, and Jones only 2 (and 1 of those was the wheel route where he never looked back for the ball)

4) I thought Romo had another so-so game. Several of the sacks they got were ultimately his fault and he threw some passes downfield that were poor decisions, bypassing several open guys underneath. One of the worst plays came on a 3rd and 5 in the 4th qtr and they rushed 3 guys. Romo had all day to throw and ultimately several huge lanes to take off and easily run for the first down, instead he kept trying to extend the play to throw downfield and took a sack. There was also another play earlier in the game where taking off and running, even if only for a couple yards would have been far better than taking a 7 or 8 yard sack, but he didnt do it. The other thing that bothered me was several times you could easily see them putting 8 or 9 guys up to stuff the run, and rather than audible to whatever the other play call was, he stayed with the run and it was stuffed. He's done this quite a bit this year.

5) Whoever is in charge of getting the right spikes on these guys should be canned and replaced with someone else. We had guys slipping all over the field the entire game. I saw their guys slip a few times too, but nowhere near as many times as our guys did.

6) Was not a good game for the OL, I suspect it will be by far the worst graded game of the season. The run blocking after the first drive or two was lousy and the pass protection was off all day. Ray Horton's blitzes had them off balanced and confused all day (as did Mike Nolan's in the Miami game last week). The team as a whole needs major work on blitz protections, all the way from the QB reading it, to the pass routes against it to the blocking assignments. This would be a definite benefit of hiring an offensive coordinator like Norv Turner after the season.

7) Defensively the first half was great, maybe the best we've seen this year. They stuffed the run game easily and got consistent pressure on the QB, along with 4 first half sacks. The second half was garbage. They gave up almost 280 yards of offense, tackled and covered poorly and had several stupid penalties. The pass rush other than a couple plays was non existant. The run defense was lousy in the 2nd half. Dave Campo and Brett Maxie would have no chance of coming back and coaching on this team next year if it were up to me, and honestly I dont care if Rob Ryan leaves.

8) There's no way in hell Orlando Scandrick would be on any return unit (punt or kickoff) the rest of the year. Its fine if they want to leave him on kick blocks and kick coverage, but he had two really stupid penalties and the 2nd one probably lost the football game for us, negating a tremendous return by Dez Bryant. As an aside, Joe DeCamillis' job status should be shaky at best too, as the coverage units have been bad all year and we continue to get stupid penalties. Further, it looks like he is the one who told Garrett to call the timeout on Bailey's FG. Now if I had been Garrett I would have ignored him, but it did appear on the replay that DeCamillis was telling Garrett we needed the timeout.

9) I've been too pissed to check out the injury situation, maybe someone can update us on Ware, Bennett (who left early and never came back I think) and anyone else who got hurt.

I just dont get this team and maybe never will. We should have won this game and yet invented another incredibly stupid way to lose, something we have done for years now regardless of who the coach is. I am not a big proponent of firing a coach after only one season, but the team doesnt appear to be getting better in any area and #1 above is really infuriating to me. At the very least I think there needs to be some significant staff changes and I would strongly consider people like Sparano and/or Turner, Mike Nolan and Todd Bowles or maybe Todd Grantham, among others.
 

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4) I thought Romo had another so-so game. Several of the sacks they got were ultimately his fault and he threw some passes downfield that were poor decisions, bypassing several open guys underneath. One of the worst plays came on a 3rd and 5 in the 4th qtr and they rushed 3 guys. Romo had all day to throw and ultimately several huge lanes to take off and easily run for the first down, instead he kept trying to extend the play to throw downfield and took a sack. There was also another play earlier in the game where taking off and running, even if only for a couple yards would have been far better than taking a 7 or 8 yard sack, but he didnt do it. The other thing that bothered me was several times you could easily see them putting 8 or 9 guys up to stuff the run, and rather than audible to whatever the other play call was, he stayed with the run and it was stuffed. He's done this quite a bit this year.

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Exactly. Romo should look at Aaron Rodgers extending drives with his legs

This game though is absolutely not Romo's fault though. Play calling and continuity in the offense was awful. I think our coaches feel that if our running back is not gaining 7 yards a carry we need to abandon the run altogether
 

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Exactly. Romo should look at Aaron Rodgers extending drives with his legs

This game though is absolutely not Romo's fault though. Play calling and continuity in the offense was awful. I think our coaches feel that if our running back is not gaining 7 yards a carry we need to abandon the run altogether

After the first two series, they had very little success running the ball and were constantly crowding the LOS with 8 and 9 guys. Arizona's secondary is mediocre, I dont blame them for going after them. That said, they should have called some other plays that have a better chance of beating the blitz, or at least by calling them you get them to back off of it so much.
 

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Exactly. Romo should look at Aaron Rodgers extending drives with his legs

This game though is absolutely not Romo's fault though. Play calling and continuity in the offense was awful. I think our coaches feel that if our running back is not gaining 7 yards a carry we need to abandon the run altogether


He's trying to still be like Tom Brady and STAND TALL in the pocket.
 

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Romo threw the ball away down the sidelines more then I've ever seen him do it ? When he had options underneath - you're spot on .
 
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and this was probably the single most boneheaded thing I have ever seen a coach do here.

I'm not defending Garrett... but I think what Campo did Thanksgiving vs Denver, 2002 I think, was worse.

But yeah, it was terrible.




6) Was not a good game for the OL, I suspect it will be by far the worst graded game of the season.

I think it was a neccessary game.

Our line is bad. Has been for years. Romo makes them look better.


7) Defensively the first half was great, maybe the best we've seen this year.

And appearantly they thought the game ended in the first half.

were up to me, and honestly I dont care if Rob Ryan leaves.

I'm hoping he gets a head coaching job. I'm thoroughly unimpressed with his defense. It's not at all what I thought it'd be.





The only thought I'll add is I just came to the realization that we're not a good team.

I'm a homer. I eat the cheese when things go well, and I try to justify close games (Redskins - division games always tough!!)(Miami - short week n dey playing better!!!).

But the reality is, we're just not that good of a team. At 7-5, we are where we're supposed to be. We may win the division, but we're not doing anything in the playoffs. Woudln't suprise me if we lost in the WC round.

The Cowboys are cursed. They have to be. The way we lose, how inept we are, etc. I hate being a fan of this team. I wish I could give them the Vols treatment.
 

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Quick question.

Why did Dallas attempt a 53 yard FG, pass on a 52 yard FG on the next possession and then attempt a 50 yard FG a little while after that.......and then on top of it be content with a FG that's a couple yards shorter than the one they passed on?

Yesterday was as poorly coached a game as I have ever seen.

A friend of mine compared it to the coach who opted to kick going into overtime and lost the game because of it. I can't remember his name right now but I'd say this was as dumb, if not dumber.

Jason Garrett has cost this team wins this year.

He has to be the dumbest fucking coach in the league in terms of utilizing timeouts. Does he even realize he has them? At times he appears to covet them like he gets an extra helping of poontang pie if he ends the game with those in his pocket but then at other times he just fucking wipes his ass with them and tosses them away.

No coach should ever be directly responsible for a loss. Garrett has two games under his belt where he fucked this team over. And that's being nice and discounting the fact that he went gutless in New England (Although I still support that move).

There are about a half dozen idiot things he did yesterday that make zero sense and cannot be justified.

Why would you pass on a 52 yarder and then come back and kick a 50 yarder? What happens if Bailey nails that 52 yarder that Dallas punted on?
 
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Day after thought still the same as day-before-thought:
Jason Garrett sucks as an OC and gameday manager.
 
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I definitely think Garrett needs help. As in, a better coaching staff, and a dedicated offensive coordinator.

Hudson Huock needs to go. Rob Ryan needs to go. And I'd welcome a return to a 4-3 defense.
 

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I think this the wrong week to go after romo dbair.

He was playing it safe under pressure yesterday and not forcing turnovers. They were getting pressure with three guys.

We were running 3 guys in routes and they were dropping 6 or more....pressure with three or four rushers is ridiculous.

Mikes Austin will open up witten. The cardinals manned up Robinson and bryant all day. Laufenberg said dez's technique is terrible right now and is causing him to not make plays.

Hopefully Austin and fiametta play this week. If can win both home games I think that gets us the division.

But the staff here is poor and it as shown loud and clear at times.
 
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I'm more than tired of seeing us waste seasons and players best years with Jerry dicking around with his little toy. Bad enough with Wade as HC and Garrett learning on the job as OC. Now we have the same lame OC but also trying to learn on the job as HC.

No telling what we might have accomplished if Jerry had hired a quality HC after BP left, or at least after the '08 season ending with the debacle in Philly. Instead we wasted 4 years with Wade as HC...er...glorified DC while Garrett was HC-for-the-offense. Now we're wasting years with Garrett trying to be HC and OC instead of us just hiring a solid HC and then an OC.

But this seems to be Jerry's M.O. When he hired Gailey years ago he basically just wanted an OC. That's why he initially offered the OC position to Brian Billick before we even had a HC. But once Billick turned it down he just settled for Gailey and gave him the HC title but no real power. When he got fired he just promoted Campo to be HC, even though he was really just the glorified DC.

Finally had some normalcy with BP, but when he left JJ thought we had to stay with the 3-4 and had to have a 3-4 DC/HC. That basically limited us to Wade. Wade did name Brian Stewart DC but WP was really in charge of the defense and then fully took it over once Stewart was fired.

Now we're back to the HC/OC with Garrett trying to do both and costing us games at the same time. Unreal. Whatever happened to hiring the best HC you can find and then having the HC hire coordinators and staff?
 

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I'm more than tired of seeing us waste seasons and players best years with Jerry dicking around with his little toy. Bad enough with Wade as HC and Garrett learning on the job as OC. Now we have the same lame OC but also trying to learn on the job as HC.

No telling what we might have accomplished if Jerry had hired a quality HC after BP left, or at least after the '08 season ending with the debacle in Philly. Instead we wasted 4 years with Wade as HC...er...glorified DC while Garrett was HC-for-the-offense. Now we're wasting years with Garrett trying to be HC and OC instead of us just hiring a solid HC and then an OC.

But this seems to be Jerry's M.O. When he hired Gailey years ago he basically just wanted an OC. That's why he initially offered the OC position to Brian Billick before we even had a HC. But once Billick turned it down he just settled for Gailey and gave him the HC title but no real power. When he got fired he just promoted Campo to be HC, even though he was really just the glorified DC.

Finally had some normalcy with BP, but when he left JJ thought we had to stay with the 3-4 and had to have a 3-4 DC/HC. That basically limited us to Wade. Wade did name Brian Stewart DC but WP was really in charge of the defense and then fully took it over once Stewart was fired.

Now we're back to the HC/OC with Garrett trying to do both and costing us games at the same time. Unreal. Whatever happened to hiring the best HC you can find and then having the HC hire coordinators and staff?

Garrett did hire this staff. He needs more veteran people around him. Would love mike Nolan, sporano etc. Garrett has the makeup of a good coach, he just needs help.

Ryan is just an average dc, we have some average players on defense, it's going to be a struggle.

I am terrified of the giants this week. There is no telling how big of a night manning is going to have.
 
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Garrett did hire this staff. He needs more veteran people around him. Would love mike Nolan, sporano etc. Garrett has the makeup of a good coach, he just needs help.

I agree with this.

I like Garretts message and mantra, but he's too inexperienced to shoulder the responsibilities he's trying to.
 

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Theebs, beat the giants and eagles and the division race IS over. Doesn't matter what else we do, doesn't matter what else the Giants do. 9-7 wins this division if we win those 2 games.
 

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Garrett is in over his head. Same as his boss.

If Garrett is the head coach in 2012, then it's another year of flushing players primes down the toilet.

Thanks, Jerry.
 
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Garrett did hire this staff. He needs more veteran people around him. Would love mike Nolan, sporano etc. Garrett has the makeup of a good coach, he just needs help.

Ryan is just an average dc, we have some average players on defense, it's going to be a struggle.

I am terrified of the giants this week. There is no telling how big of a night manning is going to have.

Yes Garrett did hire his staff...but I said hiring the best HC you can and then hiring the two coordinators.

As for the Giants, yeah if we don't get things straightened out they are going to have a field day against us.
 
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I'm more than tired of seeing us waste seasons and players best years with Jerry dicking around with his little toy. Bad enough with Wade as HC and Garrett learning on the job as OC. Now we have the same lame OC but also trying to learn on the job as HC.

No telling what we might have accomplished if Jerry had hired a quality HC after BP left, or at least after the '08 season ending with the debacle in Philly. Instead we wasted 4 years with Wade as HC...er...glorified DC while Garrett was HC-for-the-offense. Now we're wasting years with Garrett trying to be HC and OC instead of us just hiring a solid HC and then an OC.

But this seems to be Jerry's M.O. When he hired Gailey years ago he basically just wanted an OC. That's why he initially offered the OC position to Brian Billick before we even had a HC. But once Billick turned it down he just settled for Gailey and gave him the HC title but no real power. When he got fired he just promoted Campo to be HC, even though he was really just the glorified DC.

Finally had some normalcy with BP, but when he left JJ thought we had to stay with the 3-4 and had to have a 3-4 DC/HC. That basically limited us to Wade. Wade did name Brian Stewart DC but WP was really in charge of the defense and then fully took it over once Stewart was fired.

Now we're back to the HC/OC with Garrett trying to do both and costing us games at the same time. Unreal. Whatever happened to hiring the best HC you can find and then having the HC hire coordinators and staff?

I agree with this entire post. Garrett's message is the same as every other decent coach, but other coaches also understand how to do their jobs. Garrett is just a talking head. It's clear that the players do not react very well to him. We have looked the same since 2008. Up and down seasons with these nail-biting finishes each week. The team is getting by on talent alone. That 2006 team that lost to Seattle in playoffs could have gone on to do some great things with a solid leader. Instead, Jerry went back to his meandering ways. He even admitted it in that drunk youtube video where he disses Parcells.

If we were to fire Garrett today, do you think he'd even get an interview for any of the head coaching vacancies that will come up in the offseason? Hell no.

He would not even be hired as an OC for any team. That tells you everything that you need to know about how coveted he is. We're in a bad situation here with this ginger asshole.
 
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1) I dont know how anyone who graduates from a school like Princeton, grows up in a football family and then actually plays in the league himself for a decade or so before then becoming a coach for a number of years can be so painfully fucking stupid when it comes to clock management and when (and when not) to use freaking timeouts. Why not call the FREAKING TIMEOUT AS SOON AS BRYANTS CATCH IS OVER????? WHY WHY WHY? Fuck you Garrett and fuck you Romo. Dumbest fucking idea ever. Hey we've got 25 seconds or whatever it was left, and we're on the fringe of FG range. We've already seen our FG miss badly on one long one and get lucky on another. WE HAD TWO FUCKING TIMEOUTS LEFT. Why waste forever in trying to spike the ball? Why play for a 48/49 yd FG when you have PLENTY OF TIME LEFT??? Even if your worried about a sack you could call at least 1 or 2 safe plays. Call a screen or quick sideline throw to a WR or TE. Hell you could even run the ball, you still had another timeout!!!!!!!!!! I've watched this team since 1975, and this was probably the single most boneheaded thing I have ever seen a coach do here. :paper

2) Hey Garrett you stupid ass, dont NOT call timeout after the catch, then turn around and ice your own damn kicker right before he kicks it. I must admit I fully expected Whisenhunt to do this, but your excuse for why you called it yourself doesnt hold water when the holder and kicker both say they had plenty of time left on the play clock. Again if you are worried about getting set up, YOU HAD TWO FUCKING TIMEOUTS, call one after the freaking catch by Bryant instead of watching your stupid shit QB waste almost 20 seconds trying to spike the ball. This said, it should also be noted that it appears his special teams coach is the one who pushed for the timeout to be called (see below. I still ahve a much bigger problem with #1 above than this. :paper

3) Offense was terrible the entire game. I didnt expect us to hang 40 on them, but 13 freaking points is all you can get? With no turnovers? I rarely complain about playcalling, but when the other team is throwing every blitz they can think of at you, wouldnt calling some screens or quicker passes be smart? I get that their secondary stinks and you want to be aggressive in attacking them downfield, but when they constantly rush 6-7-8 guys and you cant block it (nor can the QB read it) then change up what you are doing some. Murray wasnt targeted for a single pass, and Jones only 2 (and 1 of those was the wheel route where he never looked back for the ball)

5) Whoever is in charge of getting the right spikes on these guys should be canned and replaced with someone else. We had guys slipping all over the field the entire game. I saw their guys slip a few times too, but nowhere near as many times as our guys did.

Completely agree with all these points. I think Romo played well considering the situation. Garrett did not even try to help him out with screen plays and such. Romo is a good player, but it's clear that he has to be coached well in order to maximize his potential. Garrett is incapable of doing that.

The spikes situation also pissed me off. It was only our guys slipping, so clearly a huge blunder on the equipment staff.
 
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Romo threw the ball away down the sidelines more then I've ever seen him do it ? When he had options underneath - you're spot on .
Romo hasn't seen that much single coverage downfield on Dez in a awhile and he seemed hell bent on connecting but this lost shouldn't be blamed on him one bit.

Its all on that Red Head Fuck
 
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Romo hasn't seen that much single coverage downfield on Dez in a awhile and he seemed hell bent on connecting but this lost shouldn't be blamed on him one bit.

Its all on that Red Head Fuck

I don't blame him for making the throws.

I like the idea of throwing against 1 on 1 coverage with our receivers.

Dez would've had a long touchdown had it not been for a ridiculously good play by Peterson.


Also, you can't fault Garrett for Romo not checking down and throwing underneath. Garrett calls the plays. How they're executed is on the players.

You think Garrett is telling Romo to throw it to the outside regardless of who's open?

Romo took the snap, liked his receiver in one on one, and tried to make a play. That is all.
 
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