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This is some fucked up shit.

This kind of stuff just makes me sick.

He should have baked the cake and laced it with about 5 lbs of Ex-Lax

Baker forced to make gay wedding cakes, undergo sensitivity training, after losing lawsuit

By Todd Starnes
·Published June 03, 2014
·FoxNews.com

A family owned bakery has been ordered to make wedding cakes for gay couples and guarantee that its staff be given comprehensive training on Colorado’s anti-discrimination laws after the state’s Civil Rights Commission determined the Christian baker violated the law by refusing to bake a wedding cake for a same-sex couple.

Jack Phillips, the owner of Masterpiece Cakeshop, in Lakewood, Colorado was directed to change his store policies immediately and force his staff to attend the training sessions. For the next two years, Phillips will also be required to submit quarterly reports to the commission to confirm that he has not turned away customers based on their sexual orientation.

“They are turning people of faith into religious refugees. ... Is this the society that we want to live in – where people of faith are driven out of business?”
- Nicolle Martin, attorney, Alliance Defending Freedom

Think of it as reverse conversion therapy (or straight man’s rehab) so that the state can mandate diversity through conformity.

The plight of Jack Phillips and his family is something I write about in my new book, “God Less America.” His story of religious persecution is one of many that I document.

Nicolle Martin, an attorney with Alliance Defending Freedom, called the ruling Orwellian and said they are considering an appeal.

“They are turning people of faith into religious refugees,” Martin told me. “Is this the society that we want to live in – where people of faith are driven out of business?”

Martin said it was “truly frightening” that Phillips will be forced to submit quarterly reports to the government disclosing whether he turned away any wedding cake business.
“There will be some reporting requirements so that Jack can demonstrate that he doesn’t exercise his belief system anymore – that he has divested himself of his beliefs,” she said.
He will also be required to create new policies and procedures for his staff.

“We consider this reporting to be aimed at rehabilitating Jack so that he has the right thoughts,” Martin said. “That’s offensive to everything America stands for.”

Phillips, who is celebrating his 40th year in business this week, told me he’s not going to create any new policies.

“My old ones are pretty adequate as far as I’m concerned,” he said. “I don’t plan on giving up my faith and changing because of that.”

The controversy started in 2012 when a gay couple asked Phillips to make their wedding cake. Phillips politely declined, saying he could not make a cake promoting a same-sex ceremony because of his faith. He offered to make them any other baked item they wanted.

Charlie Craig and David Mullins filed a complaint with the Colorado Civil Rights Commission alleging they were discriminated against because of their sexual orientation. For the record, same-sex marriage is against the law in Colorado.

The commission affirmed a civil court’s ruling that the bakery cannot discriminate against persons in a public place based on sexual orientation.

“You can have your beliefs, but you can’t hurt other people at the same time,” Commission Chairwoman Katina Banks told The Denver Channel.

ACLU attorney Amanda Goad, who heads up the organization’s LBGT group, heralded the ruling.

“Religious freedom is undoubtedly an important American value, but so is the right to be treated equally under the law free from discrimination,” she said in a statement.

No, my dear. Religious freedom is a CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT.

“Everyone is free to believe what they want, but businesses like Masterpiece Cakeshop cannot treat some customers differently than others based on who they are as people,” Goad added.
David Mullins, one of the two men who brought the lawsuit against Phillips, was thrilled with the ruling.

“What should have been a happy day for us turned into a humiliating and dehumanizing experience because of the way we were treated,” he said in an ACLU statement.

Who knew butter cream frosting could cause such angst?

“No one should ever have to walk into a store and wonder if they will be turned away just because of who they are,” Mullins added.

But that’s not what Phillips did. He was more than willing to make them a cupcake.

“Jack doesn’t turn people away,” Martin told me. “There are just some events that he won’t lend his artistry to.”

The ACLU accused Masterpiece Cakeshop of considering itself above the law.

“Everyone who shops in our stores and conducts business in our state should be treated with equality and dignity,” attorney Paula Greisen said in an ACLU of Colorado statement. “That’s what this ruling was about.”

No ma’am, it was not. That ruling was about bullying – bullying Christians.

“There’s a collision between religious liberty and the gay rights movement,” Martin told me.

“This collision is coming to the forefront almost every day. Somebody is losing their liberty, their job or both.”

But thank goodness for someone like Jack Phillips, who refused to capitulate to the government’s demands.

“My God is bigger than any bullies they’ve got,” he said. “I don’t worry about it. I honor my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ and be true to what He wants me to do.”

And the Civil Rights Commission is going to have a mighty hard time trying to “rehabilitate” Phillips and his staff.

“My 87-year-old mom works here and she says she’s not being rehabilitated,” he said.

Martin said the Alliance Defending Freedom will “continue to stand with Jack against overreach and tyranny by the state.”

“Jack has gone out on a limb and taken this stand – and not capitulated to the government’s demands,” she said. “That speaks volumes about him.”

And should the highest court in the land force Jack to do the bidding of homosexuals?

“There’s civil disobedience,” Phillips told me. “We’ll see what happens. I’m not giving up my faith. Too many people have died for this faith to give it up that easily.”

Meanwhile, the bullying tactics of the militant gay rights community have not hampered the bakery’s bottom line. They’ve gotten so much business from the sales of cookies and brownies, they’ve temporarily stopped making wedding cakes.

“Obey Christ rather than worry about what man can do to you,” Phillips said.

There you have it, folks. In Colorado, you can’t have your cake and religious beliefs, too.



Todd Starnes is host of Fox News & Commentary, heard on hundreds of radio stations. Sign up for his American Dispatch newsletter, be sure to join his Facebook page, and follow him on Twitter. His latest book is "God Less America”.
 

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I think I read the guy just shut down, due to that ruling.

I don't know how I feel about this. I am certainly Christian and I'm not for glorifying Sodomites and being forced to accept them through shitty strong-arm tactics, but I'm a little dubious about not providing a product because you don't like the persons way of life. In the case of the wedding photographer I agree with her stance, she shouldn't be forced to participate in an event she's not comfortable with, but a product provider isn't entirely in the same boat. He wouldn't be forced to attend the wedding or depict a graphic image. He can sell them the product and send them out the door.

Based on anti-discrimination laws, he may not have much ground to stand on.
 
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Like it or not, david, what they're doing is against the law. If you want to open a business here, you can't discriminate in who you will do business with for any such personal reasons. Otherwise we're back to "we don't serve your kind here".
 

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Like it or not, david, what they're doing is against the law. If you want to open a business here, you can't discriminate in who you will do business with for any such personal reasons. Otherwise we're back to "we don't serve your kind here".

I don't see it as against the law though. He makes cakes for marriage and his religion says marriage is between a man and a woman.

Do you continue to do business with places you don't like? Why would the gay couple even want to go somewhere that the ownership clearly didn't want to accommodate them? Just go somewhere that accepts that and move on. There's no reason to make a huge production over it. That's my problem with the thing, not the gay couple themselves.
 
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Baker FORCED to make gay wedding cakes?

How is that even possible?

I mean.... how do tell the cakes gender let alone whether or not it's attracted to same sex cakes?

Ridiculous!
 

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Hmmm. So if I went to Safeway's bakery department and asked them to make me an erotic cake for a bachelor party, they'd have to comply?
 

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, but I'm a little dubious about not providing a product because you don't like the persons way of life. .

He never said he refused service because he didn't like their way of life. He said he didn't want to do it because of his religion, which doesn't approve of that type of lifestyle.

And read some of those quotes in that article. Its truly fucked up.
 
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I just find this utterly disturbing. I have my kids birthdays coming up over the next few months and now I have to worry whether or not the birthday cakes I buy have been buttfucking other cakes? Jesus Christ.
 
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I don't see it as against the law though. He makes cakes for marriage and his religion says marriage is between a man and a woman.

Do you continue to do business with places you don't like? Why would the gay couple even want to go somewhere that the ownership clearly didn't want to accommodate them? Just go somewhere that accepts that and move on. There's no reason to make a huge production over it. That's my problem with the thing, not the gay couple themselves.

Because his religion can't dictate who he does business with. If he wants to do that let him open a not-for-profit cake shop that caters only to hetero Christians.

If he followed the letter of his religion, he also wouldn't make cakes for Christians who marry Jews due to the apostle's command to not become unevenly yoked with unbelievers.

Discrimination is wrong, no matter your justification, and people don't like it. Maybe five gay couples before just walked away, and this is the one that got pissed off enough to make an issue of it. It absolutely is against the law whether you choose to see it that way or not.
 
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He never said he refused service because he didn't like their way of life. He said he didn't want to do it because of his religion, which doesn't approve of that type of lifestyle.

And read some of those quotes in that article. Its truly fucked up.

Where does it say in the bible though shall not bake gay cakes?

Because I know it says stuff about not judging others.
 

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Discrimination is wrong, no matter your justification, and people don't like it. Maybe five gay couples before just walked away, and this is the one that got pissed off enough to make an issue of it. It absolutely is against the law whether you choose to see it that way or not.

Eh. Political correctness out of control. That's all this is about.

Again I would say do you personally do business with people you don't like? I just don't understand why a gay couple would want to do business with someone who they knew didn't like what they were doing (for whatever reason). It isn't like this guy was the only cake baker around either. Just go somewhere else.
 

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Where does it say in the bible though shall not bake gay cakes?

Yes genius, it probably doesn't say that. But it probably does say something about marriage is between a man and a woman doesn't it? That's what this guy adheres to.

Because I know it says stuff about not judging others.

I don't think he is judging anyone. He said he didn't want to bake cakes for gay weddings because of his religious beliefs, that's all.
 
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Does the guy adhere to all the crazy shit in the bible or just the stuff he likes?

Because there's a lot of crazy retarded shit in the bible.
 
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David what if you wanted to take Mrs dbair out to your favorite restaurant but you were refused service because new ownership said it was against their religion to serve people with shitty senses of humor. How would that make you feel? See how this is a slippery slope?

Let's just stop being judgemental hate mongers hiding behind a dumbass religion and bake the fucking cakes.
 

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He never said he refused service because he didn't like their way of life. He said he didn't want to do it because of his religion, which doesn't approve of that type of lifestyle.

And read some of those quotes in that article. Its truly fucked up.


Can two walk together, except they be agreed? Amos 3:3

By declaring your love for God, you are in agreement with His word. I certainly am.

I just find this particular situation not so clearly defined. I know it's a shit-show, but because of anti-discrimination laws, I can see the problem. Unfortunately that it's even an issue is an even larger problem that most don't understand.
 
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The son of god in that goofy book was all about preaching love, tolerance, turning the other cheek, and not judging.

So stop hiding behind the book/religion when judging and discriminating others.

It's that simple, ya hateful fucks.
 
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