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No thank you. Besides, they're stuck in your ass.
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No thank you. Besides, they're stuck in your ass.
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It wasnt a real competition. His stats were actually better than Hoyer’s in preseason. The Browns HC and Hoyer had a history together. It was a fixed “competition”.
Short QBs can make it in the NFL (ex: Brees, Wilson, Flutie). He scored better than most QBs on his Wonderlick.
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ahem, Wade Wilson is still our QB coach.
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The selection was "fixed" huh?
- Like any coach really would favor a guy he knew over someone who just flat beat him out. More important for the coach to take care of his bud, than to win? Lets his bud keep the 1st round pick high dollar QB on the bench? No way.
Those scores aren't typically published. What was Manziel's score and what's your source for it?
Yeah they can make it.
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The selection was "fixed" huh?
Don’t create scarecrows (as you like to say). I didnt say Johnny flat out beat him. His stats were better, but it was never against the 1st string defense. He was never given the opportunity to start and it was based off of only two games. How is that a fair competition? I also didnt say the HC called him a “buddy”. I said they had a history. It’s not mind-blowing that a 1st round QB sits. Although i do not believe everyone was on board with Manziel. It was an owner motivated thing.
Manziel scored a 32. Here is a link to USAToday: Johnny Manziel’s Wonderlic score was the highest of any QB in 2014 draft | For The Win
Good, you agree.
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I didn't say you said that.
You said "the competition was fixed." I added that even with a "fixed" competition there is NO way a coach is going to let the fix stand if Manziel clearly beats out the other guy. Not that YOU said Manziel beat Hoyer. Therefore it is YOU who erected the straw man by claiming I said something I did not say.
Yeah you should read it because it does not match what you said, which was, "He scored better than most QBs on his Wonderlic." You really mean, "most QBs of his draft class." Right? He's only marginally smarter than he looks! From the link:
He is dumber than a box of rocks and he could not beat out Hoyer - a 29 year old undrafted free agent.
Manziel sucks and he will not make it in the NFL. Now I WILL grant you one thing - had his skin been black he would have been starting.
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I lose brain cells reading your posts.
Of course I was referencing recent scores although he does well when compared to all QBs in the NFL. I dont think he is “dim witted” whatever that means.
Not sure what the racist comment means. On that note, ill let you have your own opinion.
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It's not a racist comment. It's well known there's a little social project going on in the NFL, a investment in black quarterbacks doing well. The flip side of that pancake is, kids like Manziel don't get the same chances marginal black kids do at QB, merely due to skin color. If Johnny Football were black, he would be starting.
And of course you will "let" me have my opinion, there's nothing you can do about it.. We're just two honest guys who differ on the subject of Manziel. You believe he can make it in the NFL and maybe even be good, I do not. Both opinions are fair positions.
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That is absurd.
All of your objections were proven wrong. I believe i know more about this player than you do. I also know more about the actual situation he is currently in. The only thing saving you is that fact he is not yet playing.
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YOU were "proven wrong" when you stated his Wonderlic score was "better than most QBs" and your own source proved you wrong there.
What do you know about Manziel that isn't pretty much public knowledge? His situation as well. He's just a kid from Texas who made a big noise in college and got drafted in the first round but couldn't beat out a journeyman, 29 year-old marginal undrafted quarterback.
I'll type this next bit slowly so you can understand it.
He.could.not.beat.Hoyer. For the job. That tells us all we need to know about him.
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You called him dim witted. I proved you wrong. Lets move on.
Like i said, you have very limited knowledge. I’ll let you have the last word.
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Actually, no. He is a dimwit.
But, you don't want to answer the questions. I gave you a chance to educate us all on Manziel. You said you know more about him and know more about his situation. Elucidate. I've been watching him closely since he started as a slot receiver at Tivy.
Slot receiver is where he belongs in the NFL, by the way.
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Let's do some logic here.
Weeden was a terrible QB who was signed because he knew Garrett's system from Norv Turner. So getting Weeden understanding the playbook was more important than Weeden being a competent replacement for Romo. Weeden was then expected to run the same offense that Romo has been running using the same reads and adjustments despite the fact that Romo was pressured, sacked several times in two weeks and eventually injured while attempting a routine pass plays in an offense with the number 1 rushing offense and quite possibly the best Offensive line in the league. Haslett able to do the same thing two years in a row to Romo with the same blitzes in the same spots, even though the running game changed dramatically, the pass play left the very skillful Romo vulnerable. By the way, the big Romo pass plays this year: Terrance Williams against the Texans in the endzone, and his toe drag on the sidelines, and then Dez's CB backclimb were all failed plays that Romo and the WRs rescued. None of them were designed. They were improbable.
Before we fast forward to Weeden, step back to the general history of good coaches who have back up QBs who are less talented and less able than the injured starting QB. Generally in the annals of such names as Aj Feeley, Colt McCoy, Nick Foles, Tom Brady in his first few games, etc, the smart coaches scale back the playbook and make high percentage and safe passes that moves the chains. They don't expect the replacement QB who is less able, to perform the same plays and playbook, despite the fact that the playbook only worked well in improvisation by the skilled starting QB and otherwise was the reason the starting QB was injured.
Now fast forward to Weeden. The head coach, in his confidence that his playbook was mastered by a terrible QB, did not restrict or manage the playing of Weeden but had him play like Romo, who was injured running a standard pass play while being completely supported by the record setting number 1 running game and top O-line in the game. The short pass was not used (like Belichick and Andy Reid did with Brady and Feeley) and the running plays were absolutely stupid: 4th and 1 with the entire O-line blocking straight ahead on the entire D-line with no motion, no counters, deception etc and somehow, defying basic physics that two things cannot occupy the same space at the same time, Murray was supposed to fit in an area walled off by the humanity on his own team who were straight blocking the humanity on the other team.
Yes, looking back, the big problem was Weeden. He had every chance to succeed where Romo had been abused.
No adjustment. No Jim Harbaugh select passing with creative running. Little motion and no desperation to keep the defense freshnandnjust make first downs.
Yup...all on Weeden. It's not like the repetitive and predicable passing game that the head coach will not relinquish as a failure and a threat to the expensive investment of Romo every week.
All Weeden. We had every reason to believe that his resume, stats, and that Weeden has less ability than Colt McCoy should be enough. Weeden missed Beasley being open and Escobar and Hanna and Dunbar could have easily kept the chains moving if the coaching staff orchestrated and forced simple plays and insulated Weeden with the running game. Nah, let Weeden play the system like anyone else.
Really?
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Why dont we have a thumbs up feature
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This is what I've been trying to say, although never anywhere nearly as well.
Weeden did well vs. Washington and it was mainly the play calling, giving him some chance to be somewhat successful. He had NO chance, vs. Arizona.
Weeden did well vs. Washington and it was mainly the play calling, giving him some chance to be somewhat successful. He had NO chance, vs. Arizona.
Because I was told it was Gay.