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It’s proof its not real.
This is so funny. You are always the one to state that the burden of proof is on the person making the claim that God is real, not on you to disprove He's real.

Then you discount any "proof" that is thrown out there by way of personal stories of people seeing the evidence of a higher power.

Yet you feel like you have proof He is not real because you have seen personal stories of people falling on their face. It shows there is no lasting power.

Good enough for you, but not for us.

Hilarious.
 

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26 years and counting. Enjoy your time in the spotlight now Christians, you'll be the distrusted minority soon. woo hoo!!!!!!
 

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Someone go back and count how many times SP used the term retarded in this thread. Divide that number by 1,000 and you get the IQ level you have to have to continue to use this as an insult over and over again.
 
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This is so funny. You are always the one to state that the burden of proof is on the person making the claim that God is real, not on you to disprove He's real.

Then you discount any "proof" that is thrown out there by way of personal stories of people seeing the evidence of a higher power.

Yet you feel like you have proof He is not real because you have seen personal stories of people falling on their face. It shows there is no lasting power.

Good enough for you, but not for us.

Hilarious.

Personal experiences can only be evidence to the ones having them. How is that evidence to me? Personally, i think it’s not smart to base decisions on feelings and emotions. I think we all understand how those can be deceiving and can us lead in the wrong direction.

Whether i can provide proof or not it really doesn’t matter. That still does not mean there is a god. Argument from ignorance.
 
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Personal experiences can only be evidence to the ones having them. How is that evidence to me? Personally, i think it’s not smart to base decisions on feelings and emotions. I think we all understand how those can be deceiving and can us lead in the wrong direction.
When you're talking about this, where no one has air tight proof one way or the other, there is no other way to make the decision. Your explanations for your beliefs in this thread indicate that you're making them based on your feelings.

Whether i can provide proof or not it really doesn’t matter. That still does not mean there is a god. Argument from ignorance.
Your last post before this one does not prove there is not a God. One thing we can agree on, is that we're both ignorant on the existence of God. We have our beliefs, but neither of us KNOW.
 

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The jumping off point for this great nation;

http://www.ushistory.org/paine/reason/index.htm

As it is necessary to affix right ideas to words, I will, before I proceed further into the subject, offer some other observations on the word revelation. Revelation, when applied to religion, means something communicated immediately from God to man.

No one will deny or dispute the power of the Almighty to make such a communication, if he pleases. But admitting, for the sake of a case, that something has been revealed to a certain person, and not revealed to any other person, it is revelation to that person only. When he tells it to a second person, a second to a third, a third to a fourth, and so on, it ceases to be a revelation to all those persons. It is revelation to the first person only, and hearsay to every other, and consequently they are not obliged to believe it.

It is a contradiction in terms and ideas, to call anything a revelation that comes to us at second-hand, either verbally or in writing. Revelation is necessarily limited to the first communication — after this, it is only an account of something which that person says was a revelation made to him; and though he may find himself obliged to believe it, it cannot be incumbent on me to believe it in the same manner; for it was not a revelation made to me, and I have only his word for it that it was made to him.

When Moses told the children of Israel that he received the two tables of the commandments from the hands of God, they were not obliged to believe him, because they had no other authority for it than his telling them so; and I have no other authority for it than some historian telling me so. The commandments carry no internal evidence of divinity with them; they contain some good moral precepts, such as any man qualified to be a lawgiver, or a legislator, could produce himself, without having recourse to supernatural intervention.

Thomas Paine gives me such a boner.
 
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When you're talking about this, where no one has air tight proof one way or the other, there is no other way to make the decision. Your explanations for your beliefs in this thread indicate that you're making them based on your feelings.

How have i based it on feelings or emotions? I am passionate on this subject i admit.

Your last post before this one does not prove there is not a God. One thing we can agree on, is that we're both ignorant on the existence of God. We have our beliefs, but neither of us KNOW.

If you don’t know for sure, then why believe?
 
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How have i based it on feelings or emotions? I am passionate on this subject i admit.

You stated that you like not having to live under a constant guilt, no one to blame or thank, take account for your own actions, etc. You said you needed God to "show himself to you." Sounds emotional to me.

If you don’t know for sure, then why believe?
Do you only believe in things that you know for sure? If so, I would like to know how you can be an athiest... Athiesm is the belief there is no God. It's not an admission that you don't know for sure.... that's agnosticism. At the point that you claim you know or have proof that God is not real, then the burden of proof falls on you.
 
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You stated that you like not having to live under a constant guilt, no one to blame or thank, take account for your own actions, etc. You said you needed God to "show himself to you." Sounds emotional to me.

Those are just the benefits of living without the chains of religion. I have alot of issues with the bible. I think science explains things better and makes more sense. I also have my own personal experiences from my Christian days. I saw nothing that proved there is anything out there. If the Lord Jesus Christ showed up to me in physical form, i would probably believe it. Although it may not be wise because there could be other factors (i could be hallucinating).

Do you only believe in things that you know for sure? If so, I would like to know how you can be an athiest... Athiesm is the belief there is no God. It's not an admission that you don't know for sure.... that's agnosticism. At the point that you claim you know or have proof that God is not real, then the burden of proof falls on you.

There are two types of Atheism (weak and strong). Strong believes there is no god and have proof. They have the burden of proof. Weak does not believe in the gods presented to them so far, but maybe there is one out there they don’t know about. Agnostics are Atheist by default. Just means a lack of a belief in a god, nothing more. Christians don’t believe in the Muslim god or Hindu or any of the others in the world. Atheist agree but put the Christian god in there too. We believe in one less god.
 

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There's no such thing as a strong atheist like you describe xxx. Unless they're an insane person. I've never heard of anyone like that existing.
 

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If anyone professes a "belief that there is no god" they IMO immediately cease to be an atheist because atheism is specifically a lack of belief.
 

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You stated that you like not having to live under a constant guilt, no one to blame or thank, take account for your own actions, etc. You said you needed God to "show himself to you." Sounds emotional to me.

Do you only believe in things that you know for sure? If so, I would like to know how you can be an athiest... Athiesm is the belief there is no God. It's not an admission that you don't know for sure.... that's agnosticism. At the point that you claim you know or have proof that God is not real, then the burden of proof falls on you.

belief and knowledge are two different things. I admit that I do not believe there is a god but I do not know for certain that he does not exist. Atheists can believe they know there is no god just as theists can believe they know there is a god but there is no evidence to logically support either argument. You can call that agnosticism, but that term only describes people who refuse to admit a belief in the existence of a god or lack there of.
 
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